Talk:Jet Airways/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 17:54, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi! Happy to review. Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 17:54, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi! Let me know the comments! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 18:33, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

• Lead:

• It is the second largest airline in India As of?Y
• became the largest carrier in the country by 2010 Is it still the largest carrier? If yes, then this should be mentioned earlier. If no, make it clear.Y

• Growth and expansion:

• ministry of civil aviation Upper case.Y
• frequent flier programme Link.Y

• Consolidation:

• "Jet Airways" is a bit too repeated in the first few lines.Y
• IndiGo is a duplinkY

• Financials:

• The "Notes" parameter should read "References" or "Sources".Y

• Livery:

• Italian need not be linked.Y

• Destinations:

• Mumbai is linked twice.Y
• and operates from Terminal 2 Meaning?Y

• I have performed minor copyedits, please check them.Y

Sainsf, Changes done!Magentic Manifestations (talk) 16:56, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Magentic Manifestations. Now, continuing with the rest of the article,

• Current:

• Can this be updated? Newer info available?Y

• Fleet information:

• Jet airways "A"Y
• and the first aircraft was delivered on 12 November 1997 Separate this part of the line by a semicolon.Y

• Cabin:

• It would be good to separate out the three kinds of services into 3 points in a bulleted list.Y
• Is it "First" or "first"?Y
• a personal LCD TVs error?Y
• The first class offers private suits with seats convertible to a fully flat bed with a personal LCD TVs and in seat power supply Rephrase as "The first class offers private suits; it features seats convertible to a fully flat bed, personal LCD TVs and in-seat power supply"Y
• The Première class available on long-haul international flights operated by Airbus A330-200 and Boeing 777-300ER aircraft have recliner seats, fully flat beds with personal LCD TVs and in-seat power. Rephrase as "The Première class available on long-haul international flights operated by Airbus A330-200 and Boeing 777-300ER aircraft features recliner seats, fully flat beds with personal LCD TVs and in-seat power."Y
• Première class in domestic flights offer recliner seats "offers"Y
• What is seat pitch?Y
• Link LCD at first mention.Y
• 10.6-inch touch screen convert templateY
• 10.6-inch touch screen LCD TV "touchscreen". Also, this is linked late; link it only here, the first mentionY
• Economy class on its Boeing 737 have "Economy class on Boeing 737 has"Y

• In-flight entertainment:

• system named as JetScreen "system, known as"Y
• at each seat "on"Y

• Frequent flyer programme:

• What is "JP mile"?Y
• JetPrivilege offers five classes namely "JetPrivilege offers five classes, namely: "Y
• The class names should begin with caps.Y

• Airport lounges:

• Jet Airways offered lounge service "offered"? No more now?Y
• along with JetPrivilege platinum and gold members "along with JetPrivilege Platinum and Gold members"Y
• Duplinks: Chennai, Mumbai.Y

• Accidents and incidents:

• an ATR 72-212A (registered VT-JCE) flying comma before "flying"Y
• traffic bring shifted "being"Y

• Controversies:

• Brussels can be linked unless linked elsewhere.Y
• In March 2005, when the airline submitted an application ...while Jet Airways rebuffed the claims Very long sentence, break this up as "In March 2005, the airline submitted an application to the United States Department of Transportation; however, the application was opposed by Nancy Heckerman, CEO of a US registered company Jet Airways Inc., based in Bethesda, Maryland, alleging trademark infringement and connections to terrorist outfit Al Qaeda. Jet Airways rebuffed the claims."Y
• as a security agent at Heathrow airport was implicated "airport, was"Y
• Say US or U.S.Y
• The incident led to the Governments of UK and Singapore asking the Ministry of External Affairs on security-related information about Jet Airways and further delayed clearance to fly to the U.S Rephrase as "Subsequently, the Governments of UK and Singapore inquired security-related information from the Ministry of External Affairs on Jet Airways; clearance was further delayed to fly to the U.S"Y
• in mid-air remove "in"Y
• while en route remove "while"Y
• if she agreed to arranged error?Y

That should be it. Good luck! Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 05:02, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Sainsf, Changes done!Magentic Manifestations (talk) 08:16, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Very well, this is promoted! Sainsf <^>_{Feel at home} 08:26, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

I don't know how this article was promoted. It has WP:CLUTTER issues, at the least in the "codeshare agreements" section. The reviewer should know about this before promotion. The momentum for promoting Indian airline articles to GA status, in particular from the same reviewer, should be reconsidered.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 13:19, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

@Jetstreamer: Thanks for your comment. I am not determined to promote Indian airline articles, I took up this and a few others because I am interested in them. Different reviewers find different issues with the article, perhaps I did not find those issues which you came across. If you feel the article is crippled with so many issues that it can not retain its GA status, then we can discuss them. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 15:29, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Jetstreamer, you talk as if I am hell bent on getting articles promoted to GA without improving the quality of the same or meeting GA requirements. If you had felt that it has issues, you could have raised earlier in the talk page but rather you criticize the reviewer for taking it up. I believe taking articles to GA is not a crime in Wikipedia and you had mentioned it has WP:CLUTTER issues, but failed to elaborate on the same. So, would be better if you can elaborate on what is your concern here, so that it can be fixed. Magentic Manifestations (talk) 18:02, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

I came across this article today. I'm not monitoring all Indian airline articles, let alone all airline ones. However, the same reviewer asked not to include citations in the GA review for Vistara when no guidelines exist regarding this. I think a reviewer should at least know the basic guidelines. It's not just about adding references and making all articles to have the same layout. I wonder if it is a crime to highlight this issues. I did not raise WP:CLUTTER before simply because I wasn't aware that the article was being reviewed.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 20:03, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

@Jetstreamer: We have no intention to disrespect you, please don't feel offended. And it is definitely not a crime to highlight issues about an article. There is no problem if you did not notice this when it was being reviewed, you have all rights to discuss any issues you find at any time on the talk page. About including citations in the lead, I made that comment as I found many other experienced reviewers recommending this in their reviews, and I learn a lot from others. I feel the best we can do now is begin the discussion, if I have overlooked many important points then I would sincerely apologise and make sure that I learn and improve my reviews. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 06:33, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Never mind. Looking forward, I'd suggest to check if all the sources in the "codeshare agreements" subsection are neccessary and if any of them provides duplicated information. Ideally, a single reference there is enough to support the entire list. Another option is to provide a source for each entry.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 13:23, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

@Magentic Manifestations: You need to look into this. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 05:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

I believe I've fixed the problem. To Magentic Manifestations: I removed Brussels Airlines per "It will also end its code-share agreement with Brussels Airlines, he added." and the Thalys codeshare, as sources show that was established back when 9W was at BRU but they are no longer there. South African wasn't mentioned on 9W's website so I added another source. - ✈Sunnya343✈ (talk) 02:10, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Sunnya343!Magentic Manifestations (talk) 17:54, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

-Formerly operated

I see the recent addition of a formerly operated list in the fleet section has been removed, just to note it is not unusual or bad practice to list types previously operated. MilborneOne (talk) 09:36, 9 April 2017 (UTC)