Talk:Jessica Carlson (Miss Oregon USA)

identity confusion

I removed the sentence Carlson is also appearing in the upcoming film Cirque Du Freak: The Vampire's Assistant as Rebecca, the monkey-girl. since IMDB shows it for the other Jessica Carlson (actress). But now I'm confused. Help! IMDB #1 and IMDB #2. —EncMstr (talk) 20:19, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

It should be pretty clear now. See Jessica Carlson for the list. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 18:48, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was moved to Jessica Carlson (Miss Oregon USA) since that appears to be the correct pageant disambiguator. --rgpk (comment) 20:29, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Jessica Carlson (doctor) → Jessica Carlson (beauty queen) – This person is known for being a beauty queen, not being a doctor. Simply being a doctor does not pass the notability bar for people, though being a beauty queen apparently does. Until Carlson is known for being a doctor or an Olympic athlete, it's a confusing disambiguation. tedder (talk) 03:14, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Of course you are correct. But why didn't you move the article? —EncMstr (talk) 05:29, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

It was just moved and I thought it was worth showing a consensus instead of move-warring. tedder (talk) 13:45, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree, but isn't the qualifier "beauty queen" kind of old-fashioned and sexist? How are these usually disambiguated? How about "pageant titleholder" (clunky) or simply "Miss Oregon USA"? Valfontis (talk) 14:04, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

There is an Amy Crawford (pageant titleholder) and a Ana Rodriguez (Miss Texas USA). AFAIK, being "Miss XYZ USA" just means you're the Miss USA contestant from that state. So "titleholder" sounds pretentious. I'd go with "beauty contestant". Kauffner (talk) 12:09, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry if I wasn't clear--if you mouse over (if using popups) or click on the links in my post, you will see that one of my links also goes to Amy Crawford, and the other to a list of articles in edit mode that shows how many of the piped Oregon disambiguations use the "Miss Oregon USA" qualifier. Being a "contestent" could apply to non-winners, so I'm not sure that it should be used as a qualifier. Aside from "beauty queen", I don't really care which one is used as long as all of the Oregon ones are consistent, though ideally these would be consistent across all articles about people who are notable primarily for being pageant winners. Valfontis (talk) 19:26, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

I am the one who moved the page from (beauty queen) to (doctor). In updating the page, I discovered that Dr. Carlson has finished medical school, where she was class president, and the student commencement speaker. After discovering that, "beauty queen" (which was already antiquated), also seemed out of date. She was Miss Oregon, but now she is a doctor. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 01:17, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, the label and the term is out of date, but it's why she has an entry on Wikipedia. An analogy would be arguing that James Coburn (criminal) should be at James Coburn (guitarist) because he spent time in jail on his guitar. tedder (talk) 01:22, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Not arguing that being Miss Oregon is why she got an article, just that (beauty queen) was a bad disambiguation, and (doctor) is who she is now. what about Jessica Carlson (Miss Oregon). —MJBurrage^(T•C) 02:52, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I like Miss Oregon better. It doesn't have that sexist "beauty queen" sound to it, at least to me. Curious what others think. tedder (talk) 03:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

• Support. Her notability comes from being a beauty queen, but I realise that beauty queen could be considered sexist or antiquated, so "Miss Oregon" is also fine with me. Jenks24 (talk) 12:01, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
• …(Miss Oregon USA) seems the best available option, after reviewing the discussion above. Miss Oregon and Miss Oregon USA are separate pageants, run by separate organizations, and should not be conflated. (mutter..silly pageants..mumble) -Pete (talk) 21:17, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
• Support. "Beauty queen" is not sexist.--Xyz or die (talk) 12:19, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
• Support …(Miss Oregon USA). "beauty queen" is antiquated and arguably dismissive. —MJBurrage^(T•C) 14:40, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

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