Talk:Jersey Zoo

List of Animals

The list of animals in the breeding program is not in any order. Would is be easier for the reader for the lists to be in some sort of order, and divided into: animals, birds, reptiles, and so on?

It would be great if the zoo would help with providing more information about the animals on the list and provide photographs for linked pages. Snowman 22:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I have removed "Ring-tailed lemur" and "Black and white ruffed lemur" from the list of species currently being bred: the park currently has three male ring-tails (brothers) and two male b&w ruffed (father and son) - and it 'retiring' them from active breeding service. These could probably be added back in if someone can dig out a date for when they ended.

• Black-and-White Ruffed Lemur 1982-??
• Ring-tailed Lemur 1964-??

86.144.144.124 17:43, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, it occurs to me that if possible, it would be good to separate the animals which are part of breeding programmes from the other stock which the zoo keeps as tourist fodder. 86.144.144.124 17:52, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Title of article

As far as I am aware, they are no longer calling themselves "Jersey Zoo" (despite what maps, buses, etc. still say) and are now calling themselves Durrell Wildlife or something similar. Should the name of the article not be changed? TomPhil 23:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, maybe not yet, since they themselves still have "Jersey Zoo" on their own online map [1]! But I'll put a mention in the intro. - DavidWBrooks 19:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

It appears they have now updated the map as well 86.144.144.124 17:43, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Considering that the map has now been updated, and as far as I am aware they are now using the new term "Durrell Wildlife" in all places over the old term "Jersey Zoo", should we now move the article? ^Tom_Phil 00:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

They are now very clearly calling themselves Durrell. I've been within the last few days and the only mention of "Jersey Zoo" now is on some merchandise in their shop that have not been redesigned, etc. The whole place is called Durrell, and the destination of the bus that I took to get there was shown as "Durrell", not Jersey Zoo. While there are still some remnants of the old name, and I'm sure lots of people still call it that, it seems wrong that the article retains a name that the Trust has clearly chosen to abandon.

It is my belief that if they wish to call the place Durrell, and if it is completely branded Durrell, and even the buses etc. are now using the new name, then we ought to rename the article, rather than just placing a reference to the renaming in it. I was minded to rename it "Durrell", but we already have a page there about the surname. I am minded to merge the surname stuff with the disambiguation page for the word (interestingly, neither page actually currently mentions "Durrell" in the sense of what was formerly called Jersey Zoo), and then to move this article to Durrell, with one of those lines at the top linking people to the disambiguation page.

As this is quite a major move around, I wondered if anyone had any thoughts? ^Tom_Phil 17:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

The official name from the Web site appears to be Durrell Wildlife Conservation Trust - there's no reference that I can find to the Jersey facility by a different term. It would be difficult to merge these articles without losing the Talk page, but if Jersey Zoological Park is no longer used, then we need to do something.

The question is (speaking as somebody who hasn't visited in 35 years, alas) does the "zoo" have any other title that could keep it separate from the Trust article? - DavidWBrooks (talk) 18:48, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Went up there yesterday, its called Durrell. It is no longer Jersey Zoological Park. I think that it is only right that the article is changed to reflect the name that trust has chosen to call itself. Perhaps include mention Jersey Zoo in brackets in the title. Like "Durrell (Jersey Zoo)". - The Dubious Gooseberry 15:37 21.07.08 —Preceding undated comment was added at 14:37, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

(unindent for readability) Just "Durrell"? Sheesh - how confusing. Durrell exists, so a new name would have to be different. I like your suggestion of "Durrel (Jersey zoo)" (I'd lowercase the zoo to show it's not part of the official name). Anybody else have an opinion or thoughts? - DavidWBrooks (talk) 16:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I think putting Durrell (Jersey zoo) would be a good way of having both older and younger generations find it on a search. ive been doing research at the durrell in the last few months, and the name was changed to try and promote the fact that it is dealing with conservation. Maybe it is wise to ask Durrell itself what it thinks, as some of the information needs adjusting and additions made etc, which is the info that they have. --213.133.217.231 (talk) 22:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Many of you are confusing the zoo with the trust, these are two different entities. The trust owns the zoo. The zoo is refered to as "Durrell Wildlife Park", by the trust, on this page http://www.durrell.org/Wildlife-park/ There is another article for the trust which is here Durrell Wildlife Conservation Trust. Danrok (talk) 22:02, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

The official policy of Durrell is to distance itself from what has become known on-site as 'the Z word'. By request of Lee Durrell, and in honour of her late husband and the Trust's founder, the Jersey Headquarters of Durrell Wildlife Conservation Trust, at Les Augres Manor Trinity, are to be officially known as Durrell Wildlife Park. The Trust wishes to distance itself from the word 'Zoo' and all connotations associated with it. I am the Trust's current Communications Officer, and my suggestion would be to change the title, and refer to the park as 'formerly known as Jersey Zoological Park' in the preamble or sub-heading. This would be more in keeping with the wish of the organisation's Honorary Director; Lee Durrell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Badongo Gorillini (talk • contribs) 21:44, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

I have changed the URL to point to the Durrell Wildlife Park page and moved the article to match what the zoo is called on that page (animals are confined, and the park is open to the public -- it's a zoo by our definition regardless of what you call it). "Wishes" of the director have nothing to do with this move, and are not a consideration in WikiPedia (see WP:POV). I have started to work on the redirects (there are a lot). Note that the facility will still be referred to as the Jersey Zoo when referring to its founding, and other such references to things as they were. Don Lammers (talk) 00:02, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Don, although you misunderstood me. The organisation officially, by law, changed the name of 'Jersey Zoo' to 'Durrell Wildlife Park', and all the associated literature and branding also, at the wish of it's Honorary Director. It's referred to as Jersey Zoo only in the historical context now...i.e. our current, revised press pack states; 'Gerald Durrell founded what was originally known as Jersey Zoo...' in the opening sentence. There is no longer anything called 'Jersey Zoo' in Trinity, Jersey. If you contact me off forum, I can mail you out a new press pack, several copies of our 'On The Edge' magazine, and some of our reports. These may help when editing or confirming things you find around Wikipedia. I have been asked to look into the information here by my superiors. Rick Badongo Gorillini. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Badongo Gorillini (talk • contribs) 09:12, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

It would be much more helpful if you could comment on the appropriate talk page (just start a new section so it's obvious that it's a new request), with a link to the material. Material on WikiPedia needs to be verifiable by others (see WP:Verify), so emailing me a press pack does not help much. I know the information, but others cannot verify. Even better would be pointers to news articles or professional journals (third party material) that we could point to and that validates the information. For this particular change, the official Web site name is enough. For information about things like the number of animals, annual visitor information, etc., a posted annual report can be helpful. For many other issues it is better to have third party information, and I particularly look for (but don't limit myself to) news items or professional journals because a)they are getting better than most organizations at keeping information around and findable and b) a huge number of other reputedly "third party" resources (even many other "encyclopedias") are just copies of WikiPedia now. Even some zoos now just display the WikiPedia articles about animals they keep rather than writing their own.

As an "interested party", you are not forbidden from editing related articles. However, you need to be very careful to make sure that material you post is not a copy of material from the organization (even if you wrote that material yourself), that it is written in a neutral point of view (see WP:NPOV), and that it is is not just "insider" information (see WP:Verify and WP:OR).

On a separate note, please remember to sign your posts. Just use ~~~~ after your post. It's also helpful if you sign in with your user name as you can be more readily identified by those of us who can't remember long strings of numbers. Don Lammers (talk) 12:51, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again Don, I will do as you suggest, and post suggested amendments along with verification material in a new section on the relevant talk pages. The site's animal profiles are very much outdated, and are about to undergo a major overhaul in the following months. I can assure you none of it will be simply copied from anywhere, and information will be gathered from keeper conservationists and specialists either at Durrell or partner organsiations. Work on the media library is also to commence, and some of the masses of yet unpublished video footage is a great source of information, often straight from the mouths of the vets, keeper and Trust management.

I am indeed careful not to duplicate information - or provide anything but hard fact; I'm not here to market anything - and not to release 'insider information', just to slowly rectify anything that seems to be a glaring error in the available information concerning the Trust.

Apologies for not signing off properly, still have my training wheels on, as it were. Badongo Gorillini (talk) 15:31, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Much of this new material will need citations (references to 3rd party reliable sources). BBC Jersey is one good source which has stories on Durrell. Published books can also be used - I'm sure the Trust has plenty of them.Danrok (talk) 22:02, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Fluff in animal listings

An anon editor who appears to be attached to the Zoo is adding valuable information regarding the animal collection. Please try and refrain from including fluff and promotional POV statements such as so that should the worst happen in the wild, this lemur will not be lost forever and Roaming Free.....If you hear a tamarin chatting above you as you walk around the park... Let the facts speak for themselves. Otherwise please feel free to continue to add information. --Michael Johnson (talk) 04:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

article about Leslie

Readers of this article might be interested in commenting on the article about Leslie Durrell. Check the talk page - you'll see that I think Leslie barely deserves an article at all, since he chose to be non-notable (so to speak), and that he certainly doesn't deserve the long, gossip-filled commentary on his personality which has been placed there as an article.

But at least two folks disagree. The article has very few editors, however, so more opinions would be helpful. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 12:07, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I've listed the article for deletion here. Let the debate begin. --Michael Johnson (talk) 03:13, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Photographs

It would be useful to have photographs of the the rare animals at the zoo including the St Lucia Parrot on the wiki. Snowman (talk) 19:25, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Just uploaded a large batch of photos taken this week at Durrell to Commons:Category:Durrell Wildlife Park. Man vyi (talk) 12:01, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Merge

If the this is now really the Durrell Wildlife Conservation Trust, then the articles should be merged. If there is separation, this needs to be made clear, but this article implies that they are one and the same. Also, neither articles have ANY citations, so in terms of Wikipedia standards they are just unsupported ramblings. There is enough material for a B-class article here, but it has to be cited. I will try to get back to this and straighten it out, but this will be a bunch of work, so if anyone has suggestions or citations to contribute, please feel free to chime in. If you don't know how to cite, just put the URL where you found the information just after the text it cites (or the ISBN and title of the book, with page numbers), and I will come back and turn it into a proper citation. Donlammers (talk) 12:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Size of Wildlife Park.

The Park is just over 32 acres in size, not 25 as mentioned in the article. Jersey Tourism official site - Durrell page http://www.zoos-uk.com/Attractions/DurrellWildlife.htmlBadongo Gorillini (talk) 16:10, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Well spotted. I changed the article. I can recall that they expanded the park sometime ago. Danrok (talk) 21:21, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I've done a bit of work on refs to expand them properly, as well as bring animal names in narrative into proper capitalization. I'll come back later and do some more. Don Lammers (talk) 22:17, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Changes to animal collection and areas - please edit

The last maned wolf, Eva, sadly passed away aged 13, in November 2012.

The yellow mongoose are now housed in 'the spine' enclosure of the 'cloud forest' (also, more properly known as First Impressions exhibit, officially).

The 'tamarin woods' contain golden lion and emperor tamarins since August 2012, the silvery marmosets having been taken off display.

The gorilla family has seen the birth of male 'Indigo', born on 29th November 2012, and the other females have been mated with further births expected in 2013.

Sumatran orangutans 'Dana' and 'Annette' are both expecting babies to Dagu, in April and May respectively. The 'Orangutan Islands' exhibit has undergone large scale renovation, including fourty-five 9 metre poles and new landscaping.

Many thanks.

Email communications@durrell.org with queries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.9.28.173 (talk) 11:56, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 25 March 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved.(non-admin closure) Winged Blades ^Godric 11:08, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

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Durrell Wildlife Park → Jersey Zoo – They've gone back to being a zoo now: http://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2017/03/07/jersey-zoo-to-return/ http://www.itv.com/news/channel/2017-03-07/durrell-wildlife-park-to-change-its-name-back-to-jersey-zoo/ Eldomtom2 (talk) 20:08, 25 March 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. Anarchyte (work | talk) 10:48, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

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• Support - if they're changing the name back, this article should change, as well. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 14:22, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

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Zoo and Wildlife Park

This article has gotten confusing - it refers constantly to "Durrell" when talking about the zoo. Looking online, I can't tell the difference between Jersey Zoo and Durrell Wildlife Park. I think the name has changed back and forth over time.

Can somebody who knows more clean this up? I haven't been there in 40 years. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 19:33, 27 January 2021 (UTC)