Talk:Jeff Younger–Anne Georgulas custody battle

Suggesting another re-direct

I think a better title for this article would be "Anne Georgulas v. Jeff Younger" or "Georgulas v. Younger Court Battle" or "Georgulas v. Younger." Naming only Younger and not Georgulas seems to violate NPOV, and certainly goes against the convention of short-naming court cases with the first-named Plaintiff / Petitioner (here, Georgulas). Modern Law (talk) 12:27, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I haven't written any other legal case articles, so I'm not honestly sure what the best practice here would be. Because, are all of the cases actually called 'Georgulas v. Younger', or do they all have different names depending on the state/circumstance? JSwift49 16:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

In the Los Angeles Superior Court, the case is captioned:

Anne Georgulas, Petitioner v. Jeffrey Damon Younger, Respondent

Case No. 23STFL10031 Modern Law (talk) 18:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Unsourced material

@Modern Law, I have had to remove most of the unsourced material as it has to do with living people. Wikipedia is particularly strict about how living people are dealt with (see WP:BLP), and all claims must be substantiated by high quality sources. Here is a list of common sources with how reliable the community has judged them to be. Reliable secondary sources like news outlets are preferable, though quotations from court documents can also be used.

Also, since the child is legally named 'Luna', the article must also call them by that name (or whatever their most recent official name is). JSwift49 16:11, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@JSwift49The material I added can and will be sourced to reliable sources, namely official court documents. In fact, as of August 16, 2024, the boy's legal name remains James Damon Younger. This too can and will be sourced to recent Court documents. What source led you to believe that James has had his legal name changed. In fact, I am very curious what led to the prior version of the article, which presented the case in the past tense, ignoring that it is set for trial in the Superior Court of Los Angeles.

I agree that quotations from court documents are acceptable under Wiki policy. I have links to all of the documents from Georgulas v. Younger, in both Texas and Los Angeles. I would appreciate help on the proper syntax. Thanks. Modern Law (talk) 18:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

@Modern Law I see; I was going off sources like this [1] that said the child was enrolled in school under the name 'Luna'. I had assumed that carried legal weight, but if their legal name is still 'James' that might be a different story. Wikipedia has a policy (MOS:Identity) that you should use the most recent name someone identifies as, but how can you know for a child? I'm guessing if you can show that the child is still called 'James' officially then 'James' is fine but would appreciate input of other editors as well on this.

Here is the "Cite court" template which should help you. Template:Cite court I have hardly if ever used it myself. JSwift49 19:20, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, this is not a WP:BLP. It is an article about a series of court cases.

Also, in addition to informing me regarding your source for "Luna's" legal name, what are your thoughts on renaming the article with both "Georgulas" and "Younger" in the title? Wouldn't that be more compliant with WP:NPOV? Modern Law (talk) 18:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with changing it to Georgulas v. Younger as that was what the case was originally called, so I have done that. Again welcome others more experienced with legal articles to weigh in on the title.

Even if it's not explicitly a WP:BLP, the principle is still the same. Claims related to living people have to be reliably sourced. JSwift49 19:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Actually I have changed it to "Jeff Younger–Anne Georgulas custody battle" to keep it as close as possible to the original title until others have weighed in re. what case to classify it under. JSwift49 19:37, 16 August 2024 (UTC)