Talk:Jasraj/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 20:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I will take this. I see there has been a lot of improvement since the last nom, though there still is a citation needed tag. Posting the rest of my comments soon. Cheers, Sainsf (talk · contribs) 20:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, I got busy. Here are all my comments: Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 04:45, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sainsf: Thanks for taking the time to do this very thorough review. I will work my way through your recommendations. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 15:05, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

General

• Two external links show timeout error [1] [2];  Done [3] shows a potential security risk Not sure

• The website still looks problematic to me, and might be an issue for other readers. Sainsf (t · c) 17:39, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I am browsing using the latest version of Chrome. I used the built-in developer tools to establish why Chrome displays "not secure" where the padlock would normally be in the address bar. The developer tools console reports "The connection used to load resources from https://narthaki.com used TLS 1.0 or TLS 1.1, which are deprecated and will be disabled in the future. Once disabled, users will be prevented from loading these resources. The server should enable TLS 1.2 or later. See https://www.chromestatus.com/feature/5654791610957824 for more information." Given that natharki.com is purely an informational site, without any online forms, I don't see the security of the site as being a concern. If it didn't use TLS at all (i.e. http rather than https) we wouldn't bat an eyelid. I expect when Chrome at some point starts blocking sites using TLS they'll sort their web server out. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok, can't do much about it here. Sainsf (t · c) 15:53, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

• No copyvio, dablink or duplink issues. But Hyderabad is linked twice where one is a redirect to the same page  Done
• Captions: Jasraj at "Music in the Park" Indira Gandhi Park, Bhubaneswar on 18 December 2016 the link in this caption is erroneous  Done
• The Duende concert pic should be put alongside Semi-classical and popular music  Done
• Inline citations missing for:

• and received training from him.  Done
• a duet with vocalist Bhimsen Joshi for...directed by Vikram Bhatt.  Done
• None for Shankar Mahadevan in Teaching  Removed

• Sources and citation formatting: Quite a lot of issues.. especially in a living person's biography.

• In cite news, use "newspaper" parameter not "publisher"  Done
• Ref 6 needs to fix the author name  Done and add page numbers  Not done

• What about the page numbers? Sainsf (t · c) 17:39, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't have a copy of The Nocturnal Court: The Life of a Prince of Hyderabad. As I wasn't the contributor of the ref I don't think the WP:BURDEN is with me, but nor do I think two statements the ref is supporting are likely be challenged, given that both are supported by additional references.

• Replace website names like "epaperbeta.timesofindia.com" with the actual newspaper name and those like "www.khabar.com" should be like "Khabar"  Done
• Ref 10 needs attention  Done
• Add the country in refs 14, 33  Done
• A lot of newspaper articles lack author information  Done
• Ref 18 needs more details  Question: I have added the date and publisher. Were there other details that you were expecting?

• The location is missing, and I just ran a search using the ISBN but it gives no results [4] Sainsf (t · c) 17:39, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hmm. I am not sure why that is. But for location, we have that on page 2 of the copy in Google Books so I will list that as Punjab, India. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:51, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

• In ref 22 The Statesman is not the author  Done
• Refs 26, 43 poorly formatted  Done
• The Hindu is the actual source in refs 27  Done and 32 (which needs free registration)  I cannot find the article in the Hindustani Times archive Can there be better places to access these sources like Wayback Machine?
• Probably. Are we sure the article was indeed published in HT? Then this should not be too much of a problem. Sainsf (t · c) 17:39, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I paid for access to the article in Pressreader, so I can confirm that page 3 of the htcity lifestyle supplement of Thursday, December 11, 2014 includes the article in question.

• Not sure how reliable refs 16,  I am comfortable that this is a reliable source 17,  I am comfortable that this is a reliable source 25 (clearly a blog),  Removed 34 (a competitive exam prep book, not well-researched),  Removed 38 (does not seem like a well-researched, notable book)  Removed
• Many discography refs have similar issues. For instance Amazon is not an appropriate source  Question: please can you elaborate? I think I am using the Amazon ref appropriately, per Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Amazon.

• I see, then we can keep the Amazon link. Sainsf (t · c) 17:39, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Prose and coverage

• Some of his students have in turn become notable musicians Would be good to name at least one  Done
• Link Mewati gharana in Early life, not later  Done
• of Sanand who was deeply comma after Sanand  Done
• Madhura has directed documentaries ...Faster Phene Not sure this is relevant for this article.  Removed
• initiated into vocal music by his father, Pandit Motiram No need to name him again.  Done Same for his elder brother, who should be mentioned with the full name and if necessary the link only on the first mention.  Question: Please can you check that I've done that correctly

• Looks good,  Done Sainsf (t · c) 17:39, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

• He would frequently accompany his eldest brother, Pandit Maniram He is quite notable but not mentioned in Early life like the other brother.  Done Also, would be better to introduce all his siblings in one place in Early life.  Done
• with his brother, Pandit Maniram Just the name will do  Done
• a vocalist and beenkar.[9] and Gulam Kadar Khan comma not period  Done
• Mewat gharana or Mewati?  Fixed
• Would be good to add a few words on khayal. Also it and other foreign terms like thumri should be always in italics. I would recommend this for gharana too  Question: Would you concur with the approach discussed at Wikipedia:Help_desk#MOS:FOREIGNITALIC?

• It is good that you asked at the Help Desk, it gave me some clarity too. We should do so, and as I speak Hindi I can help you with this. Most terms are Hindi, but a list would help to check is there are any Urdu terms. You can make the list here itself. Sainsf (t · c) 17:39, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

  Curb Safe Charmer, I think this is the only point left. When will we have finished our work on this? Sainsf (t · c) 15:56, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sainsf: I'll tackle this in the next 24 hours. Sorry for the delay. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:30, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done see section below

• to khayal singing redundant  Removed
• A link for raaga?  done, though there are now two links to the same article using different spellings

• Oh, then we should keep only one spelling and thus only one link. Sainsf (t · c) 17:39, 21 May 2020 (UTC)  Done

• "Music critic" sounds a bit too general, could we specify what type of music?  changed to musicologist
• 'Vandana Karo,' quote before comma  Done
• Would be good to split the long lists into columns  Done

@Curb Safe Charmer: Hi, ten days no updates? We need updates here by a week else this may be failed due to inactivity. Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 16:18, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sainsf: I've clearly understood the process. I didn't realise that I had a time period in which to fix all the issues after which you'd reassess the article. I presumed I had to submit a new GA nomination and wait for it to come round for review again. If that's not the case then great, I will get back on to it. Thanks for the nudge. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:50, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Curb Safe Charmer, right, you have to work on the review comments and regularly update the review page about changes you made or any comments you may have to have the nomination promoted, generally unexplained inactivity for over a week results in a failure. If the comments are too many for the nom to succeed or the nominator wants to work on the comments for a few weeks and renominate instead then also it can be failed. Sainsf · (How ya doin'?) 17:38, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

@Curb Safe Charmer: Another week of inactivity here. I will leave this open for 3 more days as some progress has been made but it is difficult for me to go through every edit and check whether all points have been addressed. I can clearly see an unsourced portion and a maintenance tag at least. Sainsf (t · c) 01:37, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

List of foreign language terms in the Jasraj article

Continuing the discussion above and at Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2020_May_19#MOS:FOREIGNITALIC, which of these terms should be tagged as Hindi words using the {{lang}} tag?

• Mewati gharana  Done
• Brahmin - is listed in the Merriam-Webster dictionary
• Thakur Sahib - Thakur and Sahib are listed separately in the Merriam-Webster dictionary
• tabla - is listed in the Merriam-Webster dictionary
• beenkar - not listed in the Merriam-Webster dictionary but veena is
• Swami - is listed in the Merriam-Webster dictionary
• Agra gharana  Done
• khayals  tagged as Hindi
• thumri  tagged as Hindi
• gharanas  tagged as Hindi
• jugalbandi  tagged as Hindi
• Jasrangi  Done
• moorchhana  tagged as Hindi
• raga - is listed in the Merriam-Webster dictionary
• Haveli Sangeet  Done
• Ahir Bhairav  Done
• Ladki Sahyadri Ki  Done
• Vaada Tumse Hai Vaada  Done
• Padma Shri  Done
• Padma Bhushan  Done
• Padma Vibhushan  Done
• Malkauns  Done

Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 11:43, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

• Except the proper nouns (Mewati gharana, Agra gharana, Jasrangi, Haveli Sangeet, Ahir Bhairav, Ladki Sahyadri Ki, Vaada Tumse Hai Vaada, Padma Shri, Padma Bhushan, Padma Vibhushan, Malkauns) which need to be just italicized, the others (common nouns) need the lang template as well. Sainsf (t · c) 15:13, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

@Sainsf: and no italics for the words that appear in the Merriam-Webster dictionary, per the rule of thumb given at MOS:FOREIGNITALIC? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 18:29, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

@Curb Safe Charmer: right. Sainsf (t · c) 18:34, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts. The article is in excellent shape for GA now, and meets all criteria in my opinion. Promoted :) Sainsf (t · c) 18:46, 1 June 2020 (UTC)