Talk:Jason Lee (missionary)
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editWhy there is no mention of the first french missionnary - look at this site http://www.rootsweb.com/~orspmhs/stpaulindex.html It seems as Jason Lee don't have a lot of job to do in this area with french and Irish catholics of the willamette valley and French Prairie. The first Oregon country Government was voted by Americans and french settlers and at this time 6 900 peoples lived here, a majority of french and french canadians, this changed only after the gold rush started..70.68.92.3 06:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Note Thurston did not arrive in Oregon until 1847, two years after Lee died, and Lee was back east at this point. It is very unlikely the two ever met, and certainly Lee did not conspire with Thurston before Congress or the Supreme Court, and Thurston died in 1850, which I believe was before the McLoughlin land claim issues would have made it to SCOTUS. Aboutmovies (talk) 17:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Dr. McLoughlin's "aid"
editDr. John McLoughlin had recommended to the Methodist missionaries to explore to the south in the Willamette Valley for a number of reasons. He knew the northern tribes were more violent and were very remotely located. The interior (Eastern Oregon) being also remote and sparse on resources, the tribes there were largely nomadic in nature making both bad choices. His employer, the HBC company, had an official stance of discouraging settlement anywhere in the area but McLoughlin knew the Americans could not be stopped. Best he could do is try to keep them to the south of the Columbia anticipating it being the eventual border between. There was already an established population of French-Canadian fur trappers, mostly former employees, who had settled in the south surrounded by good land and abundant resources for 150 miles plus. The tribes there were mostly stationary, inherently tolerant, and likely more receptive to their work. He was known for being a warm and generous host, tough but fair leader, as well as a shrewd and rigid businessman who was difficult to negotiate with just based on his position of authority of itself. (NOTE: Discussion topic starts here. Previous is cited elsewhere for the time - DPP) In order to accomplish his goal of maintaining as much of the American's presence to the south of the river McLoughlin put pressure on Lee's decision by stipulating the withdraw of his assistance in establishment of the mission and any donation of supply if they did not choose the south valley. In his own words on the topic of the final decision, found and published after his death; "...; that they ought to go there and they would receive the same assistance as the settlers. They followed my advise and went to the Willamette." [1]
- I do not feel there is enough information in the one source to incorporate the above paragraph I have written, or a form of it, into a live article pertaining to the subjects involved. The source reads as the author concedes there may be some truth in the sentiment, offers evidence of it and then works hard to build a case to discredit the idea by recanting the trials and tribulations experienced to arrive in the country and what impressive fortitude and intelligence Lee possessed to do so, without ever returning to decline or resolve the possibility of the influence. On a future project I will return to search sources looking to confirm a stipend, pension, or some sort of recorded support or supply being paid to the former employees and other settlers so choosing the same area to build. Seems that he would have recorded such things as it was in his power to do them without question and he ran a tight, efficient, and profitable operation. This might be bordering on original research but I don't know where else to place the conversation at the moment.
Darryl.P.Pike (talk) 20:00, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
References
edit- ^ Hines, Harvey K., DD (1899). "(Illustrations) - H.K. Hines / J.D. Hammond". Missonary History of the Pacific North West,and (...) Jason Lee. Portland, Oregon: Marsh Printing Co. p. 91. Retrieved February 6, 2018.
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What word should this be?
editI edited the second sentence of the 'Dismissal' section because, well, I doubt conflict was a source of content for anyone involved. [Letters were sent to the Board of Managers from Elijah White, John P. Richmond, Gustavus Hines attacking the leadership of Lee for several years. Conflict with White had been a source of discontent for years, who previously managed the mission financial records.] 'Discontent' doesn't seem like the quite the right word either, though; was it perhaps meant to be 'contention'? Or something else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C1:8A00:A9C0:4C46:761E:2B72:4E5F (talk) 04:13, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
- I would hazard a guess that the intent is 'contention'. It fits the context, and is most likely a simple typo or omission. Nothingofwater (talk) 18:40, 8 March 2019 (UTC)