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Requested move 19 December 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: consensus to not move (non-admin closure) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 21:28, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

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Japanese raccoon dog → Tanuki – WP:COMMONNAME applies here. Everybody calls this animal a tanuki. Nobody calls it a "Japanese raccoon dog". Google results for the former outweigh the latter by 50 to 1. Serendi^podous 18:54, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

• Move - Agree with above. --Nessie (talk) 18:02, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose I've only ever heard "Japanese raccoon dog" over here in the English speaking world. I assume "Tanuki" is more popular in the Japanese-speaking world   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  23:46, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
• Comment I've heard both, and couldn't say which I've heard more commonly; so leaving that aside:

- while a simple search of "raccoon dog" vs "tanuki" indeed comes out heavily in favour of the latter, that probably includes vast numbers of hits from non-English sources, and for the folklore creature (which is a different bundle o' gonads).

- in contrast, searching for 'nyctereutes "tanuki"' vs 'nyctereutes "raccoon dog"' comes out 2.5-fold in terms of the latter. Indicating that whenever the mammal per se is discussed, people do tend to call it raccoon dog.

Which makes me lean towards keeping the current title. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 00:33, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Using the scientific name will restrict you to scientific sources, which of course are going to be more taxonomically precise. Using more neutral specifiers like "habitat" or "prey" again comes out in favour of "tanuki". Serendi^podous 09:23, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Point. Not much in favour, verging on about equal (e.g. for "prey"), but the "raccoon dog" lead disappears. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:03, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - Currently, the large majority of the English-language sources cited in this article use "raccoon dog", e.g. Canid News, Chromosome Research, Caryologia, etc... Also, my belief is that we should favor English names on English Wikipedia barring a very compelling reason to do otherwise. Worldlywise (talk) 12:08, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. I think perhaps tanuki should be a disambiguation page. The articles which currently link to it are almost entirely about various yokai, or popular culture media. Links from yokai and pop culture contexts should mostly go to bake-danuki, not this article (especially if the "tanuki" is described as having traits incompatible with the real animal; e.g. shape-shifting, speaking, etc.). Also note that the tanuki has substantial page history, and was merged here; that page history needs to be preserved in some way. Plantdrew (talk) 16:55, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

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Clarifying Lead Section

Should the middle paragraph of the lead section be cut out or modified because it does not directly show up later in the article, nor does it seem that important?Briannabryant2 (talk) 17:24, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Pokonyan

Can we include Pokonyan! in the popular culture? Aminabzz (talk) 18:09, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

'Tanuki' is a valid term in English as a loanword from Japanese.

'Raccoon Dog' is a poor name, they are not related to raccoons at all. By continuing to refer to them as 'Raccoon Dogs' just makes translators less accurate. 'Tanuki' as a loanword following English grammar rules, similar to 'Ninjas' and 'Samurais', makes 'Tanukis' also legitimate, 94.119.32.8 (talk) 00:04, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, what's weirder is the fact that the word "Tanuki" isn't explained in the article, and isn't even mentioned until randomly in the folklore section. This was very confusing as a reader, as I hadn't realized that they were the same thing. Someone should definitely correct this, or atleast specify that it's also called a Tanuki. Blueyandicy (talk) 12:53, 2 December 2023 (UTC)