Talk:Jade Emperor

Trial Length

There seems to be some discrepancy regarding the amount and length of the trials the Jade Emperor faces between the Origin of the Jade Emperor section and the Jade Emperor vanquishing Evil section. Were there 1,750 trials, each lasting 120,976 years, or 3,200 trials each lasting 3 million years? Pnkrockr 18:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

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It should be, because Yuk Wong is just the Cantonese pronounciation of Yu Huang (Mandarin).

are they the same?

I don't think so.

They are the same. Yuk Wong (Cantonese) is the same as Yu Huang (Mandarin)

Translations

Are these really good glosses for the characters given?

Grandpa Heaven (天公 Tiān Gōng) ... the Pure August Jade Emperor or August Personage of Jade (玉皇上帝 Yu Huang Shangdi or 玉皇大帝 Yu Huang Dadi)

天公: looks like "Duke of Heaven", but I can see where "grandpa" might be implied
玉皇上帝: looks "Jade Emperor the High God" to me
玉皇大帝: I would say "the Great Sovereign Jade Emperor" or "the Great August Jade Emperor"

Correct me if I'm wrong. - Nat Krause 20:31, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, they all mean and refer to the same thing for Chinese. In our language, there are many variants for an important figure like this Jade Emperor, since we have a habit of adding many nice words to the original name, a kind of expatiation. Like in "玉皇上帝" and "玉皇大帝", the words "上" and “大” mean no more than a symbolic thing, pointing to something supreme or lofty. And that's all. As for "天公", I don't think the English word 'duke' is a proper translation for this occasion though it does sometimes mean 'duke'. And the translation "Grandpa" sounds a little weird to me, too. Whenever I see 天公，I will make out a lofty, emperor-like man in my mind. But still, I have to say 'Grandpa' or 'Old Man' will be a good choice. Chrisliu (talk) 16:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

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The Three Pure Ones

Is the Jade Emperor one of the Three Pure Ones?--Splashen (talk) 00:26, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Inaccuracies

Chrisliu's equation of ".....玉皇上帝" and "玉皇大帝", the words "上" and “大” mean no more than a symbolic thing" is historically and linguistically absurd. I still read the same assertion in the Chinese Mythology page of the use of 上帝 was datable from the Oracle Bones, Taoism Stub Editors ought to do something about the accuracy here. 上帝 was never in any Taoist or Chinese text until the New Testament was translated to Chinese. In the Creation section the previous editor added in an older version of Creation, Jade Emperor took on the role of 'Pangu', JE was not Pangu, he never was. I read Dongmin Baoji was a reference, it may be worthwhile therefore to cite from who the current JE is, and whence he was enthroned. ACHKC (talk) 14:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

References

Severe lack of references in here, the first one originating about 4/5ths in Sgtlion (talk) 17:29, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Four Dragons

Is there any reason why the most common myth associated wuth him, that of the creation of China's four rivers, is not here? I'd edit it in, but I find its absence conspicuous and ominous, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Falconfly (talk • contribs) 21:06, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

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topple

In § Vanquishing evil:

Mountains shook and rivers and seas toppled.

Mountains can topple. Trees can topple. Rivers and seas can't. As defined in Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary:

to fall from or as if from being top-heavy

Water, as a liquid, is already as low as it can go in its current place, and always tries to go lower by running downhill.

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Name

To add to article: mention of the Jade Emperor's palace, to help explain why "Jade" is part of his name.

元始天尊在清微天中玉京金闕七寶玄苑玉皇宮殿

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The Four Dragons part needs to be edited

As it is right now, it's unreadable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rivercosta (talk • contribs) 23:22, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

I cleaned it up based on a few different versions of the story found through a google search. I don't have the time to properly source it, but it's readable now. Livingston 11:59, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

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What are the primary sources for the myths about the Jade Emperor?

The article doesn't mention any primary sources for these myths. 58.105.78.220 (talk) 01:51, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Would also be great if the article had some discussion of history, anthropology, archaeology. When did worship begin? Where and when is the first attestation? When did he begin to be conflated with Shangdi? The article focuses a lot on the myths' content, but there is very little discussion of the myths' context. Aminomancer (talk) 11:43, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

"Seas toppled"?

Under the heading "Chinese mythology: Vanquishing evil", the fifth sentence in the fifth paragraph reads "Mountains shook and rivers and seas toppled." This is confusing. To "topple" literally means to fall or be knocked-over, sharing the same root as "top". Obviously, rivers and seas do not have "tops", nor can they be knocked over. In lieu of a source from which one can try to infer the closest translated meaning, I propose it be tweaked to say that "...rivers and seas trembled", since water can certainly appear to tremble (to shake, splash, produce waves, etc.) Any thoughts? Bricology (talk) 07:47, 11 October 2023 (UTC)