Talk:Jackal/Archive 1

Archive 1

Genus, "in part"

Can anyone explain to me what the "in part" after the Genus in the taxobox means? --Iustinus 17:27, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

• It means that jackals are part of the genus Canis but there are others that are Canis but not jackals (the wolves). Sabine's Sunbird talk 18:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
  • OK, I guess normally when you see that Genus=X on a page you assume that that genus is exactly equal to the common name, so fair enough. And I also suppose that this is necessary because there is no smaller taxon to which all jackals, but not wolves et al. belong? --Iustinus 19:08, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

• it means someone tried to say the jackals were spread accross two or more genuses, which is inaccurate. So I took the liberty of fixing that. --TaeKwonTimmy 00:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

ETYMOLOGY

ONLINE ETYMOLOGY DICTIONARY :

“ 1603, from Turk. çakal, from Pers. shaghal, from Skt. srgala-s, lit. "the howler." Fig. sense of "skulking henchman" is from the old belief that jackals stirred up game for lions. ”

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition , Via BARTLEBY.COM:

“ ETYMOLOGY: Turkish chakl, from Persian shaghl, from Middle Indic shagl, from Sanskrit gla. ”

As it can be seen , the Persian word is not derived from Sanskrit: both of them are of Indo-Iranian languages . Iranian languages are part of the Indo-Iranian Language group which includes the Indo-Aryan languages such as Sanskrit, and old Persian, then both Indian and Iranian names are genuine. The Turkish word is perhaps is from the Iranian word, because Turkish is not an Indo-Iranian language, and it has more in common with Persian than to Indian.--Alborz Fallah 06:50, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Sanskrit is not considered a language giving birth to Persian. Although they are akin just like they are to English or Russian (they're all Indo-European languages), they are considered different languages. And the Persian word derives from the Sanskrit, that's what both references say, if you read it carefully. Etymological dictionaries generally use this syntax to give the etymologies of the words, such as From French xxx, from Spanish yyy, from Arabic zzz, this is followed until the known end of the etymology.

And let me explain to you the ultimate etymology of this word. European languages took the word from Turkish. And the Turkish word is a loanword from Persian. And the Persians took the word from Middle Indic. Ultimately the original word stemmed from the Sanskrit.

Lastly, we shouldn't use the exact wording of the references we utilize due to copyright infringement issues. Thanks.

--Chapultepec 07:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's perfectly possible that an etymological dictionary would list a Persian word, and then a related Sanskrit word for comparision, without meaning to say that the one came from the other. But if that were the case here, the phrasing would be somethign like "from Persian shaghal, akin to Sanskrit sṛgālaḥ." But in fact, both of the dictionaries cited pretty clearly say "from." --Iustinus 15:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

That's what I wanna mean without any hesitation. Both references are very clear about the point, they say "from". --Chapultepec 16:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Whats the dispute here? Over the words "from" and "via"? Guys, this is nothing to fight about, just see what the sources say and put it that way. Simple as that.Azerbaijani 21:37, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

No, the argument is not about "from" or "via". All in all, they will give the same meaning in the sentence. The matter is that I don't wanna use exactly the same wording as the one in the reference. Chapultepec 07:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Um, I can't speak for what anyone else is say, but I'm just responding (I wouldn't even say "arguing") to Alborz Fallah's statement: "As it can be seen , the Persian word is not derived from Sanskrit: both of them are of Indo-Iranian languages ." It is true that Persian and Sanskrit are both in the same language group, but that doesn't prevent borrowing. English and German are both Germanic langauges, yet we have words like "ersatz" and "Angst" that were borrowed from German into English (not to mention Computer and Sandwich borrowed from English into German). And the etymological dictionaries do seem to be saying that we have a similar situation here. Is my argument necessary? Probably not. I don't see Mr. Fallah pushing his point. But I just felt like I should at least say it. --Iustinus 09:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Behavior

The jackal is one of the most cunning animals in the animal kingdom. Here some examples for this: If big mammals get children, the jackals wait for the moment of the birth to capture the "kids" or eating the afterbirth. They accompany the big predators too, in hope to "take away" some meat of their prey. They "organize" hunting societies with other beast of preys. They "playing dead animal" and suddenly they attack the prey. Tey are wqaiting by ill big animals, in hope they will die. --Fackel 21:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

That's cool. Perhaps you should add this stuff to the article somewhere. Oddity- (talk) 20:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Born of a Jackal

Who was born of a Jackal? Was it something to do with the bible? Ryan4314 (talk) 21:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

• Damien Thorne - see The Omen for more details. (SammyWrae, who doesn't have an account) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.243.198 (talk) 18:10, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Length of article

This has to be the worst wikipedia animal article ever! It'd be nice to know more about this animal, which is too well known to have such short article.--201.155.3.160 (talk) 02:31, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry you feel its so bad... Actually, much of the article was missing, due to vandalism a few weeks ago – I've restored it, so maybe you'll like it more now. Perhaps you'd like to help improve it? I expect you've seen the other articles about the different kinds of jackal. Richard New Forest (talk) 12:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

MEDICINAL USAGE OF JACKAL IN SIDDHA MEDICINE

Siddha Gunapadam: The excreta of jackal and bark of Azadirachta indica are burnt and the fumigation is given for piles and fistula. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.90.19.249 (talk) 05:11, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Prove itMariomassone (talk) 13:04, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Souless wanderer

What is a "Souless wanderer" supposed to be and how does it help mark territory? Just vandalism, am I right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.132.224.246 (talk) 23:24, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Article: Egyptian golden jackal is actually a grey wolf, scientists discover in DNA test (Jan 27, 2011)

Here is the article:

• Egyptian golden jackal is actually a grey wolf, scientists discover in DNA test (Jan 27, 2011)

- Radical Mallard (talk) 22:47, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow. What do you make of this, Mario? Chrisrus (talk) 16:10, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

I've known this since the info came out. See the gray wolf article. Mariomassone (talk) 08:35, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Estonia

In winter 2013 a jackal was caught in Estonia by a hunter's dog, and many have been seen and heard in Estonian forests. Their footprints were identified and they have also been photographed. Photos were shown in tv cast "Osoon" in ETV in April 8. They may have lived in western Estonia – very far away from their population – at least for 3 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.233.65.213 (talk) 17:38, 3 April 2013 (UTC)