Talk:Jack Hobbs (footballer)/GA2

GA Reassessment

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Starts GA Reassessment. The reassessment will follow the same sections of the Article. Thank you --Whiteguru (talk) 02:18, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

 

Instructions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Good_article_reassessment

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Observations

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

   HTML document size: 195 kB
   Prose size (including all HTML code): 21 kB
   References (including all HTML code): 98 kB
   Wiki text: 45 kB
   Prose size (text only): 11 kB (1951 words) "readable prose size"
   References (text only): 13 kB

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

• There are dead links and 404 pages in the references.
• Might be a good idea to run the IA bot over the references.
• Earwig copyvio indicates violations are unlikely.

1. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

• Article gives comprehensive coverage for a footballer of this level

1. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

• Lincoln City: club's youngest ever debutant,
• Liverpool: coach Hugh McAuley said that he played "very well".[9]
• Liverpool: "made a spirited recovery" and was "blameless on this occasion".
• Leicester City: Leicester manager Nigel Pearson commented that the red card was unfortunate, as he believed the foul was not intentional
• Leicester City: On winning the Player of the Year award, Hobbs said that he was honoured to win award.[30]
• Hull City: On joining the club, he said that he was delighted to be a Hull City player.
• Nottingham Forest: Manager Billy Davies said that he was pleased to bring Hobbs to the club
• Nottingham Forest: He said that he was thrilled and had always wanted to play for the club.
• Nottingham Forest: The club's manager Dougie Freedman blamed the condition of the Bloomfield Road pitch for the injury.
• These citations do not indicate a neutral point of view.
• WP:NPOV is a core content policy and guides that there be balance in presentation of information.
• WP:IMPARTIAL is not found in the above-mentioned citations

1. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

• Page created 5 August 2005;
• Page has 894 edits by 342 editors;
• 90 day page views = 5,014 with a daily average of 55 views;
• InternetArchiveBot has been on this page two times;
• Page obtained GA status on March 13, 2018

1. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

• File:Jack Hobbs.jpg = Creative Commons CC0 1.0 Universal Public Domain Dedication.
• File:Hobbs 1988.png = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 Generic license.
• File:Jack Hobbs 1.png = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 Generic license.
• All images have suitable captions and proper use rationales;

1. Notifying Editors:

• Page Creator Shikinluv has not contributed since 2014;
• Editor Keith D notified;
• Editor Royroydeb has not contributed since July 2020;
• Editor Skitzouk notified;
• Editor Wolcott notified;
• Editor Mclarge90 notified;
• Editor MIR17 notified;
• Editor Mattythewhite notified;
• Editor GiantSnowman notified;
• A total of seven involved editors were able to be notified.

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1. Overall:

• There is apparent bias in coverage of this fellow's football career. The citations at different clubs he has played at do not present a neutral point of view.
• All other Good Article criteria are satisfied
• Discussion is invited from involved editors giving regard to the bias observed.

 

 On hold for one week. --Whiteguru (talk) 12:23, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

 

@Whiteguru: I'd be interested to hear what others think, but I don't believe that most of what has been raised needs addressing. The items raised mostly involve quotes which are supported by reliable sources, and I don't feel they make the article unbalanced. I'm particularly confused that "club's youngest ever debutant" has been flagged, as it's a statement of fact. I have, however, removed some of the passages that weren't particularly notable, such as the quote that "Manager Billy Davies said that he was pleased to bring Hobbs to the club". Mattythewhite (talk) 00:53, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

I would agree, there are a few points that could be addressed but most of the quotes seem fine. Comments from managers about weather he played good or not are perfectly legit. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 18:20, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Mattythewhite:@REDMAN 2019: For your edification, here is the nomination from the talk page history, which placed this article on GAR:

 03:34, 20 April 2020‎ 90.253.129.148 talk‎ 2,768 bytes +16‎ Difficult to summarise, but the tone of this one belies its status as a good article. It's a touch too sympathetic and—while certainly a comprehensive article for a footballer of this level—appears to have bias towards its subject. undo  

This was found to have some substance. Are you now satisfied, with current edits to the article, that it meets Good Article status? --Whiteguru (talk) 20:49, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Whiteguru, I have made a few changes to the page. Are there any other concerns? REDMAN 2019 (talk) 15:44, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

REDMAN 2019 The edits are noteworthy and resolve the issues outlined. I thank you for your courtesy. The article will keep GA status. --Whiteguru (talk) 03:51, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

 

 Passed