Talk:Jack Coggins/Archive 1

Archive 1

Cleanup

This article needs a cleanup. Key issues to be addressed:

• NPOV - Jack used instead of Coggins or he;

• Provision of verifiable sources - he has an entry on Galenet's Contemporary Authors Online.

From author of article

• I have cleaned up the article and removed personal references. I have added more internal and external links, but I don't know how to access the Galenet listing. I have added a bibliography of his book and magazine work. Please bear with me as I am new to this - as must be obvious by now. Dcoggins 00:05, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

• I have further cleaned up the article, added some more internal references and added some print references (is this appropriate??). Dcoggins 05:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

• Added more external references, a link to the Galenet listing, links to images of his books, and more print references. Dave 01:58, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Infobox

I added an infobox, but it still requires spouse and religion. -- Avi 01:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Major Additions

I have added much more detail to this article, and expanded it considerably, with a view to improving its rating and usefulness. I have more detail still which can be added if it's thought worthwhile. Dave 07:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Footnotes

I will be adding footnotes as required to this article shortly. Dave 07:10, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Great. -- Avi 07:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Have started work on this - will continue as time permits. Dave 22:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I have virtually finished the footnotes for this article. Hopefully this is acceptable now? Dave 02:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Good Article

Well done! -- Avi 16:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much - it is very pleasing to see the article rated GA -- Dave 21:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

You put a lot of hard work in, and now this is rated one of the best 3000-4000 articles or so in wikipedia (GA, then A, then FA). Well done indeed . -- Avi 23:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Religion

Was Coggins religious? -- Avi 20:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

No, he was not at all religious, maybe even anti-religion, perhaps unusual for such an artistic person. Both Coggins and his wife (who died earlier this month) willed that there was to be no funeral service and left their bodies to medical research. -- Dave 21:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I added Religion = None, but both that line and the next line in the biog box don't show up on the page. What am I doing wrong? -- Dave 22:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, do you have any reliable sources for the irreligiosity? I know you have first-hand information, but that is not acceptable under WP:NOR. Secondly, none is the default so that it does not show; you would need to put atheist, but I would not do that unless we can source it. Same with the leaving the body to science; if that was in print anywhere (such as an obit or memorium) great, otherwise, I think we need to leave it out. -- Avi 23:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough - I don't have any sources for his lack of religion other than personal knowledge, so I'll leave it out. His published obit (and his wife's) stated "arrangements by Humanity Gift Registry" who according to Google arrange donation of the body to medical school. I could add that to the article if you think it worthwhile. -- Dave 03:52, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Convenience links

Just to clarify, the links to jackcoggins.info all function as convenience links. Each citation is valid even without a url, it would just require you to go to the Bucks County Historical Society publications morgue, or look in a microfilm/microfiche catalog for Outre and WWII era LIFE and TIME magazines. The fact that some of this has been scanned in for the reader to see, does not mean that the site hosting the scans is the source; LIFE, TIME, etc. are still the sources being cited. Analogously, the Brittanica does not bring a photocopy of every page it references in its footnotes, does it? Neither do we have to, as long as it can be verified. -- Avi 05:02, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

This is correct, but there was such a jumble of citation methods used, it wasn't clear that they were convenience links. By using the correct cite template (news, journal, book, depending on the source), and then separately indicating the convenience link, you can clear that up. I sometimes do it like this (example, magazine, using the cite template for the first part, and adding on the available from after the cite template):

• Author Last name, first name. "Article title". Magazine (date). Available at website, retrieved on date.

This method clearly separates the citation from the convenience link, BUT should only be used when the editor adding the citation has personally seen and verified the original source. That is, if you've only seen Coggins' website — and not verified the original source — then you should be correctly citing his website as your source. It is deceptive to cite the original source without verifying it, so when his website is actually the source, cite web should be used. Copyright issues with any convenience link should also be checked. HTH, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:17, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

• I believe Dcoggins is the one who scanned all of the references. You are absolutely correct that if he has not seen the originals, then these are nolonger CL's but true sources, and the quality of the article goes down. But, as the links are to PDF scans, and not to HTML text (except for the reading eagles, and they come from the Reading Eagle's website if you check the margin) someone had to have that original to scan, and I think we're on safe ground. Thanks for all of your great constructive comments! -- Avi 05:24, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
• As Avi has indicated, I am the author of www.jackcoggins.info, and I have copies of ALL the papers, magazines, and items scanned for the website and referenced in the convenience links. They could be readily checked and confirmed. Dave 08:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

• I made two more sample edits (revert if incorrect); we need a publisher for all sources, and some of them do appear to be sourced to his website — I completed only two as samples, but there are others without a publisher. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

• ^ Jack Coggins: Yachting Magazine Covers. Retrieved on April 14, 2007.
• ^ Jack Coggins: Bristol Laboratories Advertising Brochures. Retrieved on April 14, 2007.
• ^ International Editions of Coggins/Pratt Space Books. Retrieved on April 14, 2007.
• ^ Jack Coggins: Samples of Artwork. Retrieved on April 14, 2007.
• ^ Jack Coggins: de Grummond Children's Literature Collection University of Southern Mississippi. Retrieved on April 14, 2007.

... should all have a parameter publisher = JackCollins.info SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

FAC

The article received a lot of excellent suggestions in the FA-review. Hopefully, we can implement them and really polish the article. Thanks everyone! -- Avi 19:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Notes from SandyGeorgia

• There are WP:ACCESS and WP:MOS#Images issues with the image layout (no left-aligned images under third level headings and avoid text squeeze). Images should all be juggled to adjust for this.
• Identify a publisher (as a separate parameter) on all citations, example:

^ "Jack Coggins: Yachting Magazine Covers". http://www.jackcoggins.info/yachting.html. Retrieved on 2007-04-14.

^ "Jack Coggins: Bristol Laboratories Advertising Brochures". http://www.jackcoggins.info/bristol.html. Retrieved on 2007-04-14.

^ "International Editions of Coggins/Pratt Space Books". http://www.jackcoggins.info/spacebooks1.html. Retrieved on 2007-04-14.

^ "Jack Coggins: Samples of Artwork". http://www.jackcoggins.info/art.html. Retrieved on 2007-04-14.

^ "Jack Coggins Papers". http://www.lib.usm.edu/~degrum/html/research/findaids/DG0202.html. Retrieved on 2008-08-22.

• Check with Mike Christie (talk · contribs) for a peer review; he's an experienced FA writer and this article is right up his alley.

I think after you do those things, you're ready for FAC. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Jack Coggins/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

Starting GA reassessment. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:30, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Checking against GA criteria

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose):

   • Reasonably well written, I did have to clean up several spelling mistakes. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:46, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

   b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references):

   • all links, live

   b (citations to reliable sources):

   • ok

   c (OR):

3. It is broad in its scope.

   a (major aspects):

   b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):

   • tagged, witth fair use rationales

   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   • OK, this passes muster as a GA - the prose could be improved in places. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:47, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

FAC Take ][

If y'all have not noticed, it's back on FAC. -- Avi (talk) 20:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Minor Changes

The article is looking great, thanks to Avi and others. There was always confusion with the spelling of Sidney/Sydney Coggins - I have found an example of a full signature by the man himself in a pile of Jack Coggins's papers, and he signed Sydney, so that settles it. Also the link to the University of Southern Mississippi had changed, so I updated it. Dave (talk) 21:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Avi (talk) 05:20, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Military Service

After all the discussion about military service, I reviewed my scan of Coggins' service card. It shows that he was assigned to Fort Hamilton, NY, which is an Embarkation Center, from Oct 14 to 20, 1943. The next entry is his assignment to HQ Def UK Base on 14 Oct (maybe 16, unclear). He is certainly listed on the staff at British YANK from the 14 November 1943 issue. Since the date is not certain, it would be probably safer to say that he departed in October 1943, so I have changed it. Perhaps it would be safer to be even less specific?

His assignment in the UK definitely ended on 2 Aug 1945, and his date of discharge at Fort Jay, NY is definitely November 3, 1945. If it was thought worthwhile, I would put the typed details of his service up on the web, but the actual record card was burned in the archive fire on July 12, 1973, and is not really suitable for the web. Dave (talk) 01:33, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. Based on this, I believe we should dispense with the departure date, since we are in truth not referencing any specific data record. I've removed that from the article, corrected the 8 to the 2 of August, and moved the ref tag. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 04:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Jack Coggins/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Seems more than a stub already, but not comprehensive enough for B, in my opinion. -- Avi 01:35, 6 October 2006 (UTC) Acheived GA status! -- Avi 20:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC) (belated) Featured article candidate -- Avi 02:35, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

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