Talk:Jägerbomb

Jäger-train

Jäger-train...

Is that name for real? Seems like whoever made it up edited Wikipedia to feel important.

Origin

The biggest problem facing the Jägerbomb article revolves around its origins. The claim made by Razzoo's is dubious at best and fraudulent advertising material at worst.

Anyone with any supportable claims as to its origins in various countries - please contribute.

This bit under "variations" is actually a lead to the origin, AFAICS: "The 'U-båt' (submarine in Norwegian) in which the Red Bull is replaced with beer." It's the other way around; I've had U-Boats in Sweden in the early or mid-eighties, before Red Bull even existed. It's obviously this new-fangled "Jägerbomb" that is a variation on the U-Boat theme, where the beer has been replaced with Red Bull. And a rather obvious variation it is too, once you'd started using the energy drink in mixed drinks in the first place. CRConrad (talk) 22:33, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

We could also make a 'claims of origins' section, where the possible origins of the drink are discussed. This, however, is somewhat inconsistent with Wikipedia guidelines, but I've seen it in plenty of other articles. Lots of areas of etymology of various terms have, rather than one claim, several claims and none are suggested as being the true etymology. Ostensibly, this approach could be applied to the origins of the Jägerbomb.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by ScottMacGregor1985 (talk • contribs) 07:44, 3 July 2007

Applying logic to the situation, we could say that because there is little evidence suggesting where the first jägerbomb was created or even by whom, we must consider the possibility that the cocktail may have been invented by several different people or groups at different times at disparate places, without any collaboration with each other.

It is fair to say that the jägerbomb became popular between late 2005 and early 2006, and Jägermeister had long been a popular shot served without an energy drink accompaniment. It is then fair to conclude that with the growing sales of energy drinks in nightclubs worldwide and the enduring popularity of Jägermeister, the jägerbomb was an organic creation for which credit cannot be assigned to any one creator.

However, this logical approach is considered to be original research, and in the time since I (Scott MacGregor) submitted the above two paragraphs (almost verbatim) they have been removed by other users on the basis thereof.

first of all, sorry for my bad english. i have no supportable sources for this, but in my opinion, the jägerbomb (or flying hirsch as it is called here) was invented in austrian skiing resorts. other people say it was invented in Liechtenstein during carneval. youth in liechtenstein dresses up as flying deers (hirsch means deer) during carnvel since the early nineties. i think i've seen an article in a newspaper telling the story of the flying hirsch, i'll try to find it again —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.173.231.214 (talk) 21:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I am going to delete that stuff about the origins in South Africa and German Bombing raids blah-blah-blah unless someone can include a reference. Thanks. PS I´m in Peru at the moment and my keyboard doesnt have a stand-alone tilde button, so i cant really sign my name, But this is Scott MacGregor, Sorry.

Jäger-Bull

It is referred to as a "Jäger-Bull" in German speaking countries, as well as in English Bar chain Wetherspoon's. In Austria it is called "Flying Hirsch", where Hirsch means deer in German and is inspired by the Jägermeister logo.

I´m from germany and i´ve never heard someone ordering a jäger-bull, maybe it´s Bavarian, as far as i know it´s called "Flying Hirsch", but i have never seen somebody ordering something that disgusting.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.136.247.169 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 2 August 2007.

I'm from Germany and nobody even drinks this over here but stupid teenagers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E4:5BD7:400:799F:D1F9:1A5B:572A (talk) 17:09, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Inner circle, expansion

The last paragraph under 'commercial preparation' about the jagerbomb cup needs to be expanded. I have no Idea what is ment by an 'inner circle', and what sort of 'cup' is used?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.176.188.245 (talk • contribs) 04:52, 20 August 2007.

No Original Research

This article has much info that is not backed up by references. Please add references for each section. Cshay 18:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Picture

Hahaha try taking a picture at a a SMALLER resolution next time -128.205.161.88 20:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Haha yeah it's a bit crap isn't it. Well I've updated my phone since I first made the article and it's got a 3 megapixel camera in it now. I'm going to Billboard tonight and that would be a great excuse to consume my favourite bevarage!ScottMacGregor1985 10:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok Just did it, except I forgot about the whole uploading a picture process, so theres 4 or 5 edits of me stuffing it up. sorry guys i should have tested doing it in sandbox mode, but it eventually worked. I hope everyone likes the picture.ScottMacGregor1985 10:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

My New Haircut video

This video is probably the worst thing to happen to the jägerbomb article. It's invited so much vandalism, but I think it would be a mistake to ignore it. I think it's more than enough to have that point in the pop culture section how they are the protagonist's favourite drink etc, but anything more than that is just unnecessary. Also, a synonym is a word that can be used in place of another word; thus "fucking skank" is not synonym for "jägerbomb". If you went up to a bar and ordered a "fucking skank", I doubt your bartender would pour you a jägerbomb.ScottMacGregor1985 06:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Controversy

I think nutritionists would also argue that the combination of alcohol and caffeine has a greater effect on the liver than the two taken separately, so Jagerbombs would lead to increased risk of cancer and other diseases. Can anyone find a citation for this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.100.85 (talk) 19:39, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Or how about the fact that it makes something delicious, Jagermeister, taste like shit. --E tac (talk) 10:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Poorly sourced statement

I've removed this:

However, nutritionists take a grimmer view of the alcohol-caffeine combination. They point to the fact that both caffeine and alcohol are diuretics which dehydrate the body. Therefore, excessive consumption of an alcohol-caffeine combination can lead to greater hangovers and possible death due to severe dehydration.

The cited source was "Energy Drinks & Alcohol"; Nutrition, U. Mass. Dining Services (Caffeine); [1].

I've confirmed that the page supports what was in the article (via an archive.org posting; there seems to be some sort of database error on the original page). But a website of the Dining Services department of a university is not a reliable source, particularly given that the university is no doubt trying to discourage reckless drinking. (I've worked at the University of California at Berkeley; I'm familiar with Dining Services departments.)

I have no objection to the information being reposted if a better source can be found, but I'm doubtful, since it's a myth that caffeinated drinks cause dehydration. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 20:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

No its not a myth, caffeine is caffeine is known to be a diuretic.--E tac (talk) 22:51, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Health Effects

No discussion of the potentially negative cardiac effects of mixing stimulants and depressants? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.63.229.128 (talk) 06:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I've been perusing the web for a source to back up that concept, but my search has been fruitless. There is certainly a lot of anecdotal evidence of people who have had Red Bull and then had heart palpatations, nausia, or other cardiac anomalies, but no studies have been done in that area (that I can find, anyway). So please, help me out and let's see if we can give a nod to the whole bad-for-your-heart concept in the article WITH a decent reference. Otherwise I fear the whole thing could be an urban legend, like how the Americans talk about pop-rox and 'soda' ScottMacGregor1985 (talk) 09:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

What a load of old tosh!!

This artilce is rubbish, and could do with being deleted!  Doktor  Wilhelm  23:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I created this article, researched it, nurtured it, and protected it from years of vandalism. I even took the photo for it (yes that's my hand there). But I will personally lobby for its deletion if you, Doktor Wilhelm, if you are a real doktor, can give me one succinct, compelling argument why this article does not belong in an encyclopedia, but an article on the Martini, Daiquiri or Sidecar does.ScottMacGregor1985 (talk) 16:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

That is quite possibly the single most awesome smackdown of a delete-troll I've seen ever. -Superslash

I have to agree with the doktor, this is pure trash. And doesn't wikipedia work on the principle that an article must be proven useful, not proven useless? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.27.164 (talk) 02:12, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the article should be deleted, but isn't it worth mentioning Jager bombs can be made with beer. In fact, they were probably made with beer before Red Bull existed, yet the word "beer" doesn't even show up on the page. Is this some sort of sneaky marketing by Red Bull or what? I don't care how the drink's evolved for most people, but there are still people out there who drink Jager bombs with beer. It's just plain dumb that's not even mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.202.50.223 (talk) 07:17, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Useful

Being a professional translator, I often need to research information of this kind. This article gives me an idea of what a Jaeger-bomb is. So yes, it has its purpose in here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.44.0.76 (talk) 23:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, even if you find it useful, this article is full of Original Research. If the information in this article cannot be found elsewhere, than it should not be in this article. Please cite more soources for this article. Watching the bartender and writing down what you see is not good enough. 75.101.10.111 (talk) 16:10, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Even though a Jagerbomb is traditionally Jagermeister and Red Bull, I think it's also worth noting that it can be made with other energy drinks, such as Monster, Rockstar, etc. and still be a Jagerbomb.-ZAch AtTacK- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.136.156 (talk) 19:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

SVWP

Now available (but I can't add it since the article is locked): sv:Jägerbomb notwist (talk) 19:23, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Red Bull

The article says they use Boost Energy drink in Mexico, does this mean that any energy drink can be used? If that's the case, then why does the article specificly use one brand over another. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roadshell (talk • contribs) 07:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

A club near me uses Red Devil. But the original Jagerbomb & "true" Jagerbomb uses Red Bull. Should be mentioned that any energy drink can be used. 77.86.70.223 (talk) 17:14, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

It is correct that in german speaking countries the Red Bull slogan says "Red Bull gives you wings" (german: Red Bull verleiht dir Flügel). But it's not the Red Bull slogan the name has been derived from! It refers to a different energy drink widespread in germany in the 1990s which name rhymes to "Flying Hirsch" called "Flying Horse". The drink (like red bull) originates from austria and was the main if not the only competitor at the german market in the 1990s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.21.138.11 (talk) 18:01, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Hand grenade

I was out the other evening and a chap introduced me to a variation on the Jaegerbomb he called a "hand grenade", prepared thus:

• slosh some Red Bull into a half-pint glass
• balance a shot glass of Jaegermeister and a shot glass of sambuca against each other in the mouth of the half-pint glass
• remove the glass of sambuca (the pin) so the glass of Jaegermeister falls into the Red Bull (setting off the Jaegerbomb)
• neck the sambuca
• chug the Jaegerbomb.

A classic example of the whole being greater than the sum of its parts. Has anyone else tried this? Opera hat (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Glitterbombs

Glitterbombs are Jagerbombs with edible glitter shavings floating in the Red Bull. Worth a mention? 77.86.70.223 (talk) 17:13, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Vomiting

When I had my first jagerbomb, an old man at the bar started counting down from ten. I wasn't sure why, but when he reached 3 I realized I was about to unleash an explosion of vomit.

The old man seemed to know Jagerbomb's can cause vomiting, but I haven't seen it mentioned in the article, and I can't find any sources. Comments, anyone? 98.127.103.46 (talk) 17:47, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Maybe he could tell that you couldn't handle it.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 17:56, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

jagerbombs go bad after about 10 seconds. that's why you chug them. should be mentioned somehow, cause it mentions the curdling effect of irish car bombs in that article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.117.79.248 (talk) 16:56, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Contraindication

It says right on the Red Bull can, in the "cautions" section, that it should not be mixed with alcohol. Should/could that be included in this article? It is my understanding that some bars leave it to the patrons to mix the two elements after they are served, to avoid liability? I don't drink alcohol, only Red Bull (and I can't stop) so I am not sure about this. 99.226.21.71 (talk) 15:30, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

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Pronunciation of /ˈjeɪɡərˌbɒm/

Hello!
Chances are, I've been mispronouncing it all my life, but according to me, the correct pronunciation would be /ˈdʒɑgə(ɹ)ˌbɑm/, right?
greetings,--El Mono Español (talk) 17:40, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

I've heard the name spoken only by English speakers, and I've only heard them say it with /jeɪ/, reflecting the German pronunciation rather than an English spelling pronunciation like the one used for Löwenbräu (which rhymes with "Bowen cow", whereas an adaptation of the German pronunciation might rhyme with "Kevin boy"). Largoplazo (talk) 17:56, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply! Yes I thought that, that maybe /-je/ was a 'phonemic calque' from German language. It is quite possible that I am wrong since I am not an expert in German or English phonology, but as far as I know, /r/ represents the Italian or Spanish R, while in German predominates guttural R (/ʁ/), and in English predominates /ɹ/ or sometimes this sound is canceled /(ɹ)/. So maybe it should be /ˈjeɪɡə(ɹ)ˌbɒm/? --El Mono Español (talk) 22:40, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the English treatment of the ⟨er⟩ in that name is the same as it as in the unstressed ⟨er⟩ ending of any morpheme. So it would be appropriate to treat that sequence as we do in other articles. Off the top of my head, I don't know whether that's to provide both UK and US pronunciation or to treat it as a parenthetical as you propose, but I'm supposing either way is acceptable. Largoplazo (talk) 01:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)