Talk:Italian participation on the Eastern Front

Move

Shouldn't this article be moved to some better name? After all it was not a separate war, not even a separate campaign. The Italian forces fought alongside the Germans in their campaign in the USSR, but not as a separate force waging its own war but rather as one of the belligerent sides in the conflict.. I was thinking of something along the lines of History of the Italian Army in USSR. Any better ideas? //Halibutt 15:14, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Go for it ;) (Deng 15:18, 7 April 2006 (UTC))

I agree Andreas 12:11, 16 May 2006 (UTC))

Ok, change name but keep in mind this a VERY important page of history for us in Italy. We never forgot the fate of those Alpini.User:Basil II 22:27, 18 June 2006 (CET)

When (if?) this article gets retitled, remember that "Army" would exclude naval and air force aspects. The Regia Marina participated in the Black Sea - I don't know about the Regia Aeronautica. Folks at 137 07:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Moreover, shouldn't it be "Italian war in THE Soviet Union"? --Taraborn 17:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Note : CSIR wasn't equipped with Semoventi da 47/32, they where assigned to 3rd PADA fast division after the expansion of the italian effort with the ARMIR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.162.175.250 (talk) 08:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Concerning This being an army and the inclusion of the naval and air force elements. I am not sure about the Italian naval forces on the Black Sea, but it is my understanding that they were separate from the CSIR or the ARMIR. Naval forces are not mentioned in this article. The air force contingent was an integral part of the CSIR and ARMIR. Will check on the Semoventi da 47/32. That was information already in Wikipedia. The sad part is that it would not have mattered much if they did have them. Cheers! Mkpumphrey (talk) 15:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Not only that, but the Italians were not in the USSR! They were fighting to desolve it, so really where they were, there was no USSR authority over the occupied territory. The better name for the article would be Italian participation on the Eastern Front. This covers all Arms and Services, and even includes the few Italians serving in Finland for a few months.--mrg3105 (comms) If you're not taking any flak, you're not over the target. 22:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Censoring by Nick Dowling

Who gives him the right to decide that the broadcasts by Radio Rome and Radio Berlin concerning the role of Axis forces are unreliable and of dubious nature. What has he got the mentality of a child?? Isn't it obvious that historians would've discovered by now that Radio Berlin and Radio Rome had got it all wrong, inventing units that didn't exist and placing them in wrong areas, and ofcourse, getting the dates, timing and weather all wrong when describing actions. Nick Dowling, get real, and have a read of the pages that deal with "Siege Of Tobruk", "Operation Brevity", "Operation Crusader", etcetera, to see that you got it all wrong mate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Generalmesse (talk • contribs) 03:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I removed the links, and just removed them again, in line with WP:EL, WP:RS and WP:NOTLINK. As these are unreliable primary sources they add nothing of value to the article, especially when they're just stuck at the end of the article by themselves. Why are you adding these links if you also regard them as being unreliable sources? By the way, if you abuse any other editor like that you can expect to be blocked - see WP:CIVIL. By the way, I don't see any Italian or German communiques quoted on the Operation Brevity and Operation Crusader articles and the British communique quoted in the Tobruk article is unsatisfactory, but at least is being used in context as it's clearly identified as being from a British government wartime source in the text of the article. Nick Dowling (talk) 05:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC) - edit: I've noticed that you have also posted abuse of me on another article and have reported you for incivility at: Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts#User:Generalmesse Nick Dowling (talk) 06:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Stop trying to tell us that 1940s broadcasts are good things to add to the article when there are multiple published histories of the events now produced. Buckshot06(prof) 06:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Noclador Check This Out; From The Operation Brevity Wiki Page

Colonel von Herff, impressed by the actions and bravery of the Bersaglieri defending Halfaya Pass, issued an order of the day stating:

"The detachment which defended the plains of Halfaya Pass resisted with lionlike courage until the last man against stronger enemy forces. The greatest part of them died faithful to the flag."

But it's clearly propaganda, for it's quoting New York Times/Berlin Radio so using your words when editing, "Propaganda Out", show us what you are made of, and remove this rubbish that has no shred of evidence (like you'd wanna have us believe) to support it; hey man, show us what you are made of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RadioBerlin (talk • contribs) 14:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Numbers

So how many Italian troops were serving in Russia before Stalingrad? Drutt (talk) 22:34, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

"By November 1942, the 8th Italian Army had a total of 235,000 men in twelve divisions and four legions. It was equipped with 988 guns, 420 mortars, 25,000 horses, and 17,000 vehicles." see: Italian_Army_in_Russia#Composition for more details; noclador (talk) 02:22, 26 July 2010 (UTC)