Talk:Italian Parliament

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I found the order of this article, which has clearly been changed due to recent changes in electoral law, to be confusing.

Beyond this, I was very disappointed because the article pretty much only deals with the method of electing parliament. I came here from the Italian government page looking for some answers to questions that I had about the Italian use of bicameralism. In most countries (the most notable exception being the US) with bicameral legislatures, control of the upper chamber is of little consequence. But in today's news stories about the Italian elections, it was clear that control of the Senate IS important in Italy, at least this year. I would like to know something about the powers of the Senate, and why it matters who wins it. Unschool 13:11, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Italian system is the so-called "perfect bicameralism" (bicameralismo perfetto): the two Houses have the same exact funtion: every law must pass both Houses with the same text. This was due to prevent the insurgence of any form dictatorial government: the 1948 Republican Constitution was written after 20 years of fascist dictatorship ended with WW II. As both Houses must support the Government, it is easy to understand why the Senate is of no less importance than the House of Deputies. Gbnogkfs 7 May 2006, 20:38 (UT)

Thank you. Sounds rather similar to the American system, then, insofar as actual legislation is concerned. But then, how is the premiership determined? What if different parties control the two houses? Unschool 02:30, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

While US is a Presidential Republic (the Government depends upon the President), Italy (and many European Countries, in fact) is a Parliamentary Republic: the President of the Republic hears the representative of the parliamentary groups and officially appoints a government: this is a rather ceremonial power, as the Government must immediately present to both Houses to receive confidence, and that's in fact where the real power lies. The President of the Republic is the Caretaker of the Contitution, not an active political figure. Tipically, the representatives of the parties that have won the elections ask the President to appoint the coalition leader (in this elections Romano Prodi) which is then the nominated Prime minister and indicates the list of ministers to the President.

In this case, as the end of the 7-year mandate of the President was coincident with the Parliamentary elections (a legislature is normally 5 years in Italy), the Parliament had first to elect a new President of the Republic before the Government could be formed.

For what happens if no coalition wins both Houses, see my reply here under :) Gbnogkfs 15 May 2006, 10:36 (UTC)

The link that refers to the Article 59 of the constitution in the "Composition of Parliament" section works, however it would be better if it did send the reader directly to the article of the constitution. MatX525 (talk) 07:06, 13 February 2019 (UTC)MatX525

I would also like to understand the thought behind the sentence saying that the Senate has more power that the Chamber of Deputies when the next sentence says that they are equal. I do understand that the Senate is given the executive power of the President in i=his absence but it can be confusing and needs clarifying.MatX525 (talk) 07:19, 13 February 2019 (UTC)MatX525

Votes of Confidence

I know that with Italy's proportional/additional member system it is unlikely, but what would happen if the two houses had majorities from different parties/coalitions? Italy is the only country I have heard of where the prime minister needs the confidence of two separate non-figurehead legislative houses. My guess is that a new election would have to be called, and/or some ugly super-coalition government would be formed. Xyzzyva 00:27, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Your ugly guess is right. It never happened, however. The old christian-democratic party with some minor ally has always had majority from 1948 to 1992 with the old simply poportional electoral system. There were no real coalitions, but alliances that formed after the vote between Christian-Democrats and some other (small) party. Turmoils were everyday's news, and the Governments were made and unmade at terrific rate after some small fact changed the equilibrium of the unstable coalition: Italy is famous for having changed more than 50 Governments in its first 50 years of Republic. After the end of the cold war, from 1994 Italy has had a 2 coalition system of parties; in the four elections in 1994, 1996, 2001 and 2006 right and left have had alternated victories. in 1995 (after the first Berlusconi Government lost the confidence) we've had a short "technical" largely sustained Government for some months before new elections in 1996. This double confidence system may end during this legislature due either to the incoming (25 June) referendum over a constitutional reform adopted in 2005 in the last legislature, or to other changes made up by the new majority. Gbnogkfs 11 May 2006, 0:15 (UTC)

Move Parliament of Italy to Italian Parliament

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The result of the proposal was No move.--Húsönd 16:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Parliament of Italy → Italian Parliament — Italian Parliament is the correct translation for Parlamento Italiano. Checco 16:53, 25 February 2007 (UTC) copied from WP:RM Bobblehead 20:48, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

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Survey - in support of the move

1. Support, as explained above --Checco 12:05, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Survey - in opposition to the move

1. Oppose The other members of Category:National legislatures are Body of Country, and the idea that Parlamento Italiano must be translated "Italian Parliament" is a simplistic notion of translation. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

   And what about the U.S. Congress? Do we need to call it Congress of the United States? --Checco 23:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

   The article is United States Congress, which is clearly attested in English; whether it is the most commonly attested is of course open to discussion - on that talk page. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

2. Very weak oppose. I oppose because it is inconsistenct with the de facto naming convention established for National legislatures as Septentrionalis has pointed out. However, I am not a fan of that convention to begin with and would prefer the more simple *blank* Parliament. I would much rather see discussion on the convention rather then the weak "translation argument" on this one page. 205.157.110.11 03:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

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24.2.70.104 (talk) 23:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)I think that the see also "See also this series of articles by La Repubblica and this description by the Forza Italia Web site." should be erased because they are partisan sources

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Too few references

This article really needs references. I don't know whether or not to trust a thing in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.61.94 (talk) 15:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I second this argument, there should be more sources such as books, not as many websites that can turn out to be unreliable. MatX525 (talk) 07:23, 13 February 2019 (UTC)MatX525

Where does it meet?

I can find nothing in this article telling where the two houses of the Italian parliament meet. Is there a building in Rome similar in function to the Capitol in Washington or the Palace of Westminster in London, where each house has its own chamber? Do they alternate using a single chamber? Does each house have its own building in different locations? Or is there some other arrangement? This article gives no clue that I could find.

I just saw a movie in which a man and his two children were walking home. The man pointed out a building, asked them if they knew what it was, and (when they didn't) told them, "that's parliament." That led me to believe (1) that the Italian parliament does have at least one regular meeting place, but (2) it is not so well known that early-teens living in Rome within easy walking distance would already know what it is. The implication was that a building that in other capitals would be very prominent and well known – certainly to nearby residents – could be relatively insignificant in Rome.

That possibility intrigued me, so I came here to find out more and came up empty. Articles on the legislatures of other countries tell where they meet and even have entire articles devoted to the buildings; it seems that this one should at least mention where they meet.--Jim10701 (talk) 23:31, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Like the Parliament of France, each chamber of the Italian Parliament sits in a different location. The Senate sits at the Palazzo Madama, while the Chamber of Deputies sits at the Palazzo Montecitorio. Bastin 23:45, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Italian electoral law

Several sections of this article refer to the Italian electoral law rather than to the Italian Parliament itself. Since the article already exists in Italian, French, and Spanish, I propose to create it in English too.--Dans (talk) 08:31, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

In absence of objections, I proceed.--Dans (talk) 18:47, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

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Majority, opposition, support

See discussion at Talk:Senate of the Republic (Italy)#Majority, opposition, support. --Ritchie92 (talk) 10:25, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

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