Talk:Israelis/Archive 2

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Israelis are related to Arabs, exclusive

Why there is no "related" people for Israelis"? Among all, Arabs should be exclusively mentioned as to show that Wikipedia is not the place for politics but sources. Israelis and Jews are very much related to Arabs through Palestinians, Lebanese and other Arab peoples including Jordanians. Actually Israelis are the first nation closely related to Arabs. Here is not the place for deliberation.-Raayen (talk) 21:43, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

According to DNA studies the most related to Jews are Kurds and then Arabs I think, but why not. Benjil (talk) 22:10, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Demographic data inconsistency

The data on the table on this page seems quite different to the data on this page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Jews and its not clear why they are different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.41.184 (talk) 22:23, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Mosh pictured

Could a cropped version of this File:Mosh Ben-Ari 01.JPG fit into the pictures montage?
Row 1: Ada Yonath  • Robert Aumann  • Natalie Portman  • Amos Oz  • Yossi Benayoun  • Shahar Pe'er
Row 2: Moshe Dayan  • David Ben-Gurion  • Yitzhak Rabin  • Menachem Begin  • Golda Meir  • Ariel Sharon
Row 3: Ilan Ramon  • Benjamin Netanyahu  • Natan Sharansky  • Itzhak Perlman  • Yisrael Meir Lau  • Ovadia Yosef
Row 4: Emile Habibi  • Raleb Majadele  • Salim Tuama  • Aviv Geffen  • Dana International  • Eyal Golan
I like a bit of Mosh. Its purely selfish. Gregkaye (talk) 19:01, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

someone should delete this article

israelis are NOT an ethnic group, being "israeli" is simply being citizen of state of israel, its not an ethnic term! there i no any senese of kinship among the arab, jewish, christian, druze or muslim populations of israel!!! Varcety 23:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Who said they're an ethnic group ? The category you mean ? Btw, the fact there are muslim, christian and Jews doesn't mean they don't have any sense of kinship. Many non jews hold the flag dear to their hearts (many druze for example that you mentioned). Amoruso 00:10, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the usage of {{Infobox Ethnic group}} in this article can be misleading. It's only supposed to be used in articles about ethnic groups, and "Israeli" is a nationality. Khoikhoi 10:51, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't see any agreement with you here, and your attempt to removed it from the Palestinian refugee article was reverted by somebody else. As they said... "removal of information shall not be tolerated"! lol Anyway... I'm going to do the same here and restore the infobox that you removed. Mathmo ^Talk 15:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

It's inappropriate to have an ethnic group infobox in an article that's not about an ethnic group. Khoikhoi 19:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Not sure how this is different than French people or italian people, Israelis are a people, and can be classified as ethnic group also by the wiki article - which only says usually by ancestry etc. No problem with it here. Don't remove stuff without any consensus please. I agree that ethnic group doesn't describe it well but why remove the box ? Maybe change it like in French people and still include the information ? Amoruso 01:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

"Israeli" is a nationality, not an ethnic group. Here's what the CIA Factbook says:

Ethnic groups: Jewish 76.4% (of which Israel-born 67.1%, Europe/America-born 22.6%, Africa-born 5.9%, Asia-born 4.2%), non-Jewish 23.6% (mostly Arab) (2004)

According to this, Israel is home to many poeples, not just one. Khoikhoi 01:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah this is like trying to define Americans are an ethnic group which few would support. The Israelis aren't an ethnic group, but a multi-ethnic nation with various religions dominated by Judaism, Islam, Christianity etc. "Ethnic" varies as there are Georgian Jews, German Jews, Persian Jews etc. so how are all of these people an ethnic group? Not to mention Israeli Arabs and the Druze. It's not a tenable position at all. Tombseye 06:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, the French and Italians have an established cultural position in their respective homelands. The Israelis are mostly new arrivals who came from Europe, other parts of the Mideast etc. Their names vary, mother tongues vary (they all learn Hebrew now true) so this is still more analogous to Americans, Canadians, Argentines etc. Tombseye 06:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Shift its purpose to talk about the people of Israel the ethnic divisons more indepth that in the article about demography.

I'm English (whatever that means) sorry British. Varcety Israelis can be wrong like the rest of us but pls don't assume they are wrong. Gregkaye (talk) 19:22, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Multicultural?

I've heard many words used to describe Israel, but not "multicultural". It defines itself as a Jewish state. It is an ethnocracy. JDiala (talk) 03:39, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

photos of Israelis

Why are all of the photos of Ashkenazim? There should be photos of mizrachim, sephardim, and other Jewish ethnic divisions. There should also be photos of the Arab minority of Israel if not other minority groups! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.1.207.30 (talk) 18:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Please add photos of them then. Fipplet (talk) 19:00, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

ADD

SHAUL MOFAZ, BOAZ MAUDA, DALIA ITZIK, SHLOMO MULA, ESTI MALMO \ tht should add diversity to the pictures —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.156.21.217 (talk) 22:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

• I've recommended Mosh Ben-Ari below. Also the article states The largest ethnic group comprises Ashkenazi Jews, followed by Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews, Palestinians, Bedouin, Druze,

Are there any pictures of Palestinians, Bedouin and Druze?

Gregkaye (talk) 19:16, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

I also think that the representations in the photos should as far as possible, reflect the Demographics of Israel. There certainly seems to be some good commonality with, for instance, content at Arab citizens of Israel GregKaye 12:42, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Permanent residents?

I thought the demonym of a country can only be used to describe citizens? To the best of my knowledge, a permanent resident is not anymore an Israeli than someone living in the US on a Green Card is an American. --RM (Be my friend) 21:53, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

It's not an exact comparison. Permanent residents have the same rights and duties as citizens, and they have an Israeli ID. There are only two differences: they can't vote to national elections (but only to local ones) and if they leave the country they lose their status after 5 years abroad. Benjil (talk) 12:34, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Religion in Israel figures

The "Religion in Israel" section directly contradicts itself. It states some figures in the first paragraph, then gives a table a few paragraphs down that gives totally different figures. Presumably the two sets of figures are from different years. —  Cliftonian (talk)  09:44, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 February 2018

I found the perfect source for "Archaeological research only partially agrees with the biblical narrative" in this section:

As for the following paragraph describing the biblical narrative, you can easily find it in the Book of Samuel.--יניב הורון (talk) 14:34, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

References

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Per self-published sources, a blog is not generally regarded as a reliable source and instructing other editors to look through a biblical book is not providing a source, either. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:55, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Adding Karaites Israelis

At least 15.000 Israeli citizens are Karaites (maybe between 30.000 and 50.000). Karaites are recognized both as a "religion" and a "nationality". Samaritans are also recognized both as a "religion" and a "nationality" and are around 1.000 individuals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karaite_Judaism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Israel

Projetbo (talk) 20:25, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Circassians, Armenians, Assyrians are Arabic-speakers?

Hi collegues! There is an error in this page, as Circassians, Armenians and Assyrians are catalogued as arabic-speaking peoples. The majority of them speak their own language. 151.48.52.226 (talk) 18:48, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Wrong redirect: "People of Israel" means "Jews"

In English, "People of Israel" means Jews, in biblical terms. Period. It shouldn't be redirected here, but to Jews. "The people of Israel" can be used in a sentence with the meaning of inhabitants of the State of Isrel, but that is the exception, whereas "people/People of Israel" is a well-established term for "Jews". Arminden (talk) 10:48, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

"Palestinians" instead of "Israeli Arabs"--?

The term included Jews and all others under the Mandate. It became exclusive only later. Check your facts. Also, a growing number of Israeli Arabs identify as Palestinians, but does this justify the heading? On the other hand, today "Palestinians" includes non-Arabs who identify as such, for instance some Armenians. And why are Negev Bedouin then separate? Once you leave the official terminology, you need to get the wider picture, thorough THINKING, and the ability to argue rationally. For now, it's a disputable, one-sided, superficial and highly polemical decision. Arminden (talk) 11:32, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

I changed the heading from "Palestinians" to "Arab Palestinians" on historical considerations: that's what they would have been called under the Mandate. But now they've been Israeli citizens for over 70 years, and things have changed.
As the heading is now, for those who think in current, not historical terms, the heading can be seen not only as polemical, but as going against reality on the ground. See here [1] the newest survey on how Israeli Arabs see themselves, with important nuances like the 19% proponents of "Israeli Palestinian". The survey presented by Haaretz and commented by Salman Masalha (neither can be considered Israeli nationalist) give following figures:

• 46% chose "Israeli Arab"
• 22% "Arab"
• 14% "Palestinian"
• 19% "Israeli Palestinian".
  

65% include "Israeli" in their self-definition, 33% include "Palestinian". It's almost 2:1. Simply "Israeli" either wasn't offered, or none chose it. You tell me who has the majority now. It's called integration, a process well known even in deeper divided societies than the one in Israel.
I was on the verge of changing the heading to "Arabs", as it

• a) better reflects reality, and
• b) "Israeli Arabs" is the official term, and I know of no bill presented by any Arab party represented in the Knesset asking for a change from "Israeli Arabs" to "Palestinians". Why should Wikipedia be more Catholic than the pope, i.e. more Palestinian than the Israeli Arabs themselves?
  

But then it would create confusion in other regards: aren't Copts and Maronites also Arabs? As it is now, we're still stuck with a similar problem: how are Negev Bedouin distinct from Arabs/Arab Palestinians? It's endless, so I leave it. At least for now. Arminden (talk) 13:27, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

typo

Hello editors the name of Israelis in Arabic is الإسرائيليون , not الإسرائيليين, if you are not sure about that, you could copy the name of the Arabic article which is "إسرائيليون", the phonetics then should be "Isrāʾīliyyun". --Abu aamir (talk) 12:08, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 September 2021

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Armenians

Main article: Armenians in Israel

There are about 4,000–10,000 Armenian citizens of Israel (not including Armenian Jews). They live mostly in Jerusalem, including the Armenian Quarter), but also in Tel Aviv, Haifa and Jaffa. Their religious activities center around the Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem as well as churches in Jerusalem, Haifa and Jaffa. Although Armenians of Old Jerusalem have Israeli identity cards, they are officially holders of Jordanian passports.

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Armenians

Main article: Armenians in Israel

There are about 4,000–10,000 Armenian citizens of Israel (not including Armenian Jews). They live mostly in Jerusalem, including the Armenian Quarter, but also in Tel Aviv, Haifa and Jaffa. Their religious activities center around the Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem as well as churches in Jerusalem, Haifa and Jaffa. Although Armenians of Old Jerusalem have Israeli identity cards, they are officially holders of Jordanian passports.

Remove superfluous parenthesis. Alternatively, put the whole of "including the Armenian Quarter," in parentheses. Thanks. INDT (talk) 12:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

References

The number of Israelis in the US should be updated in the table to 139,980

According to Haaretz, a primary Israeli news source, it says the following "the U.S. Census Bureau estimates that there are 139,980 Israelis in America, with about 77,800 of them born in the United States and 62,150 foreign born."

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2015-06-20/ty-article/.premium/how-many-israelis-in-the-u-s/0000017f-df03-d3ff-a7ff-ffa346230000?_amp=true

JohnnyPedro1998 (talk) 19:15, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 April 2023

Add the Israeli diaspora map image to the infobox.

File:Map of the Israeli Diaspora in the World.svg

Israeli diaspora

201.71.0.220 (talk) 22:12, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

 Done see diff EpicPupper (talk) 22:57, 9 April 2023 (UTC)