Talk:Israeli new shekel/Archives/2012

Coin table and infobox

The new table for the coins collides with the infobox. --Red Rocky 17:04, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

The reason is that there aren't enough contents above the table. You could add {{-}} above the table, but the there will be a white space above the table. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 00:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation of sheqalim/sh'qalim

Shouldn't the plural be "sh'qalim", rather than "sheqalim", as it is written throughout the article? 81.146.43.101 15:15, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

But it is written as "sheqalim" on banknotes. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 19:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

The common pronunciation is indeed "shkalim", however the official Hebrew-to-Latin script used in Israel adds an "e" for "shva-na" (שווא נע) and maps the "ק" to "q" (even though the modern pronunciation is exactly like "k"). DrorK 11:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

2 Shekels

There isn't such a thing as a 2 Shekels coin. Maybe it existed in the past, but it surely doesn't exist now. TFighterPilot 22:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I can't seem to find one for sale on ebay, but what about this? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 12:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

It didn't exist in the past - it's planned for the future. Ynet got hold of the planned design a few months ago, but the actual coin was not yet released into circulation. -- uriber 17:12, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I live in israel and we use 2 Sheqalim coins all the time. It does exist! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.76.106.135 (talk) 07:26, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Alignment of Hebrew in infobox

If you're using IE and find that the alignment is not center, then please take a look at User talk:Chochopk/Archive 5#Arabic and Hebrew on Template: Infobox Currency. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 07:44, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

It would be nice if we could get the Arabic name for the sheqel too in the infobox. – Zntrip 23:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Nomenclature of the occupied territories

There have been a few back-and-forth edits swapping between the common English names and the Israeli names for the occupied territories. I've reverted to West Bank and Gaza and would appreciate anyone wanting to change these to discuss here, explaining why.
Dove1950 21:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I support the names West Bank and Gaza Strip because they are more accurate as far as the English language is concerned. If we write "Judea Samaria and Gaza" people may think we refer to the Israeli administrative district which includes the settlements, and that the currency is used only in the Israeli settlements. This is far from the truth. The shekel is used by all Palestinians in the WB and Gaza Strip, and even the Hamas government in Gaza uses it as its official currency. DrorK 11:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

This issue has come up again and seems to be a recurring question. Should we have a poll to decide the nomenclature we are going to use or might that prove counterproductive?
Dove1950 (talk) 21:37, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think these is any debate, we should use the most common English reference to the territories of Gaza and the West Bank. Judea reminds me of the old kingdom, samara the Samations. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 12:10, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

NIS

I know it stands for New Israeli Sheqel, but the article doesn't mention it anywhere, as the article is called INS, and talks about ILS being the official acronym. The article should be more standardized and explain the various used acronyms. 217.132.178.163 (talk) 21:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I've noticed the Israel article calls New Israeli Shequel as well as a few other articles BigEyedFish (talk) 07:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Pictures

It'd be nice to put up pictures of the various coins and banknotes. 217.132.178.163 (talk) 21:51, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. I've added a gallery from the Hebrew article. The quality isn't great, but it's okay. If I have the time, maybe I'll scan some higher-res versions, and maybe photograph some banknotes (though I won't upload a hi-res version of them - due to counterfeiting issues). okedem (talk) 15:55, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

It appears that most of the images have been deleted. Is someone up for a restructuring of the gallery? -- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 20:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Dubious

The article states that "This makes the sheqel one of only twenty or so world currencies for which there are widely-available currency futures contracts in the foreign exchange market. It is also a hard currency, with access available to it in almost any place in the world."

I find this rather dubious.

Last year I traveled in Europe after visiting Israel. I had several hundred sheqels with me, and couldn't exchange them anywhere. In several countries went to banks, money changers, even central banks and an Israeli embassy. But nobody would take them!

Many of these same money changers accepted dozens of different currencies, but not the sheqel. At a number of the banks, people looked at me strange and asked me "what kind of money is this?!.."

So yeah, this statement probably needs to be cited or removed. 72.161.215.245 (talk) 21:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

See here: [1], [2], [3], etc. okedem (talk) 04:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Backing

no mention of what the coin and banknotes are backed by. government debt? it is pointless to have an article about any kind of money without mentioning the backing. it might as well be talking about monopoly money. a cursory google search does not help. surely there are numismatic experts with this knowledge out there somewhere! 69.114.3.140 (talk) 19:20, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Do other articles about coins mention backing? The gold standard was abandoned long ago, and it seems that basically all currency is Fiat currency. okedem (talk) 19:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

That the NIS is fiat currency is implied by mentions of inflation and no changes are needed IMO Solatic (talk) 00:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Move

I have moved the article to Israeli new shekel, per the reasons stated in the edit summary. Please discuss here if you disagree. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 23:20, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Alt-4

Where can Alt-4 be used to add this sign? I've tried on IE, Notepad, Office Word 2007 (in hebrew mode ofcourse), it doesn't make the sign. 77.126.92.35 (talk) 23:14, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

My bad. It's AltGr-4. AltGr is the right Alt, under < and >. Sorry. It should work in all programs. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 20:47, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't work, but alt+8362 does. AltGr + 4 produces ♦. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 21:40, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Are you using Windows? It works for me in the regular Hebrew keyboard in Windows XP: ₪.

It may produce something different on Mac and Linux.

Now i checked the Israeli keyboard standard (SI 1452) and i was surprised to see that it defines that the ₪ must be produced by AltGr-A (because the letter Shin is there). But i am not familiar with any system that actually implements this standard (it's actually impossible to implement, because the document that describes it has several severe internal contradictions!)

In any case, if you're using Windows, just run Start->Accessories->Accessibility->On-Screen Keyboard, then press AltGr and see what appears on the 4 key. (Again, it works on Windows 2000 and XP; on other systems Your Mileage May Vary.)

I don't have access to Windows Vista and Windows 7 - go figure, maybe Microsoft finally bothered to implement a standard Hebrew keyboard... but i strongly doubt it. I do know that Mac OS is very far from the standard and Ubuntu tries to be close, but fails, because it is un-implementable (and not very good anyway). --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 21:56, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Fine - it does indeed work. In Windows 7 too. (it's still me) 13:13, 25 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.228.64.42 (talk)

Back to the Future?

"In 1990, 5 new shekalim coins were introduced, followed by 10 new shekalim in 1995.[8] Production of 1 agora pieces ceased the same year, and they were removed from circulation on April 1, 1991."
This sounds like they stopped making 1 agora coins in 1995 and removed them from circulation in 1991 .. :-)
The sentence about the 10-shkalim coin was probably added into an existing sentence, meaning that they probably stopped making 1-agora coins in 1990. However, I'm not sure about that date, so anyone who is is welcome to edit the article and make it more clear.
ailaG (talk) 18:12, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

You are right. Your intuition worked very well :-) Feel free to correct this mistake. DrorK (talk) 13:53, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Spelling of "Sheqel"

The articles relating to this are all spelled "shekel" or "shekalim". I think this is incorrect as it should be spelled in the same way as the currency itself. You can see the pictures on the page; it's spelled "sheqel" and "sheqalim". Should the name of the page and all other related pages be changed?

I'm new to this so please correct and forgive me for any procedural errors. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sussita (talk • contribs) 04:08, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

You're correct, sheqel is the proper spelling. The article should be moved to account for this. 75.76.213.106 (talk) 05:53, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

The question here is whether we really want to use the official spelling (sheqel). I believe that we should follow WP:COMMONNAME and transliterate it as shekel. Please note also that there are a number of articles that would be affected by this name (like Israeli shekel and Old Israeli shekel). —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 11:14, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

You'd be right, however, the spelling on the currency itself uses a "q" so I don't see a good reason to transliterate it with a "k" Can someone please move the article to a new page? Am I allowed to or is there a procedure? --Sussita (talk) 07:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

It does not matter whether the spelling is "proper", the criterion is which spelling is in common use. And if you search the web site of any newspaper, you will find that this is "Shekel". So please don't move this page. --mellum (talk) 11:19, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it *does* matter what is the proper name, when there is no justification for the mispelled name. Like people said, the notes themselves spell "Sheqelim", not "Shekalim". The bank of Israel site in English [4] officially spells "Sheqel". Besides, it's not like there's really an established English word for this currency - almost nobody outside Israel really cares about this currency... :( Nyh (talk) 12:51, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Christian biblical studies have traditionally transliterated it as 'shekel'. I'd be tempted to say that the English speaking world knows it best in this form. WP:UCN says that it is best to use the most commonly used name instead of the 'technically correct' name. But I'm not overly against either name. Just as long as the other spelling has a redirect to whichever name we finally settle on.  Stepho  (talk) 06:51, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

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