Talk:Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present)
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Inclusion of minor Individuals in the "commanders and leader" section
editI don't think individuals like Lieutenant colonel Alim Abdallah, or Ali Hussein Barji should be considered among their respective sides "commanders and leaders". These are mid level commanders at most, there are probably 20 Lieutenant colonels of the idf currently deployed along the Lebanese border... 2A13:54C2:F000:50D0:A958:E79A:1629:FD1E (talk) 17:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- A valid point. I'm not knowledgeable enough to remove the names. Anyone? — kashmīrī TALK 22:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Kashmiri: It appears that when a high-ranking member of the organizations listed in the infobox dies, their name is indiscriminately added to the list. I agree that the list needs cleaning, and I think that only the names of the highest ranking leaders should appear. Nythar (💬-🍀) 23:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- We can start by removing the two names I suggested, I'm not super familiar with hezbollah internal hierarchy, so if somebody has any additional input, that would help.
- What I'm certain of is that a lieutenant colonel shouldn't be considered among the idf 'leaders'.... 2A13:54C2:F000:50D0:A958:E79A:1629:FD1E (talk) 08:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'd remove everyone except:
- - Hassan Nasrallah
- - Naim Qassem
- - Benjamin Netanyahu
- - Yoav Gallant
- - Ori Gordin
- The list is artificially inflated at the moment because it seems like any kill, no matter how insignificant is being added as if they were significant. -- RisingTzar (talk) 18:07, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- we sould maybe listen to hezbollah when they announc the death of their members and keep Taleb Abdullah, Wissam al-Tawil, Muhammad Nimah Nasser. when annoucing their death, hezbollah called them and only them (till shukr death) 'commander" https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hezbollah-confirms-death-of-senior-commander-in-idf-strike-in-south-lebanon/
- we should also keep shukr, he was even higher but probably remove Barji, there are tree dozen hezbollah senior opperatives who got killed
- https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/israeli-assassinations-top-hamas-and-hezbollah-officials Anticonstitutionnelist (talk) 13:43, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree, I don't think we can trust them when they call them "commanders" as they are not impartial in this case. It's important to recognize that that Hezbollah, Iran, etc all glorify killings of their own members as martyrs. It's used for their propaganda as virtuous and a rallying cry. RisingTzar (talk) 18:26, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- IMO the best solution is to find sources where they are clearly presented as MAJOR leaders/commanders PRIOR to their killing. We cannot rely on how they are glorified after the fact. RisingTzar (talk) 18:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- I second this. But I would add Herzi Halevi as he is the chief of staff of the idf, and Fuad Shukr, as he is the former chief of staff for hezbollah (before he died) 2A13:54C1:F000:2FF:E70C:3E6B:6186:AB4D (talk) 12:13, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed, this sounds reasonable to me. RisingTzar (talk) 21:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Kashmiri: It appears that when a high-ranking member of the organizations listed in the infobox dies, their name is indiscriminately added to the list. I agree that the list needs cleaning, and I think that only the names of the highest ranking leaders should appear. Nythar (💬-🍀) 23:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Update Hezbollah casualties
editI don't understand why update the IDF casualties but not Hezbollah when the number of the Hezbollah casualties stand above 400. the number in the page is still 386. Teh FT678 (talk) 15:59, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- The death toll for Hezbollah is 416/417 now. 2A00:23C8:180E:EE00:95BD:BD07:425C:DAC2 (talk) 21:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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Hezbollah Death Toll should be UPDATED TO 416/417 kia. 2A00:23C8:180E:EE00:95BD:BD07:425C:DAC2 (talk) 21:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. MadGuy7023 (talk) 22:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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Hezbollah death toll should be updated to 418 killed. Here is the citation on this live from L'orient-Le jour at 09:13 H [1] Anticonstitutionnelist (talk) 12:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: the death toll is already sourced. M.Bitton (talk) 01:18, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Islamic Azz Brigades as a unit of Hezbollah?
editI'm a bit conflicted on whether "Islamic Azz Brigades" should be moved as a unit of Hezbollah. The group was completely unknown/likely never existed prior to the conflict and most scholars believe that it is a Hezbollah front organization (granting them some form of plausible deniability). It also doesn't appear to have been active for more than a few days, so it might make sense to remove them all together. RisingTzar (talk) 09:27, 30 August 2024 (UTC)