Talk:Islam in Poland

So Polish Muslims weren't targeted by the Holocaust?

That's interesting. With the exception of the leadership purge, it sounds like the Nazis more or less left the Polish Muslims alone. Any historians watching out there: is this the case? --Brasswatchman 03:01, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, they were target no more then Poles themselves - which mean they were hit pretty hard. I have heard nothing about special policies Nazis had for Muslims, but note that since by the time IIWW started Polish Muslim community was so small, it might have slipped most attention of most texts. I thoight I new quite a lot about IIWW in Poland, but I didn't even know there were still Muslims living in Poland by that time...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 04:12, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

the nazis only cared for their sick views on race not about religion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.164.192.35 (talk) 14:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Subsections

Could anybody have a look at adding subsections in that humongous "history" section? Besides, considering it is the only section in the articles, is it really pertinent? shouldn't there be non-historic sections too,like the practiced rites, main sites, repartition within poland? Circeus 18:19, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll create some sect-stubs. //Halibutt 22:24, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

slave traders

other Other Muslim merchants, often Slave traders, arrived to Polish lands at that time, as can be seen by a large number of Arab coins found in numerous archaeological sites throughout modern Poland[1].

Slave traders? that would be pretty weird since there was never any slave trade in Poland that anyone knows of. The reference provided does not mention that they were slave traders either. Removing. Deuar 15:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

You're mistaken. In the early middle ages, soon before the arrival of Christianity, the slave trade was one of the basic sources of income for the mighty. There is even a theory that Mieszko was in fact a mighty slave trader himself, not to mention the fact that Abraham ben Yakov (Ibrahim ibn Jakub) is currently commonly referred to as a slave trader (note that the number of Jews to arrive to our lands in those times tells something). Just check the web and you'll see for yourself. //Halibutt 22:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Halibutt, hmm - maybe. I've never found web resources to be particularly trustworthy for poorly documented ancient history - home made theories seem to overwhelm serious research. I'm thinking it initially sounds plausible that slave trade may have been around in pre-christian times, but there's suspicously little record of it that i've heard of. I would have thought it would be remarked in some German sources, and there would be some mention of it in at least some neighbouring countries to the south as well. Then again, i'm no historian. Sorry, I don't follow the final Jews argument.(?) Deuar 13:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

That's the problem with all of Poland's early history: historians are not even sure Mieszko was named that way... As to the Jews argument - at least in theory the Muslims could not take profit in slave trade and could not perform the castration of newly-acquired slaves themselves. Instead, the wealthy merchants of Al-Andalus sent their Jewish collaborators to do the job, which was ok in both economic and legal terms. Hence the first roughly reliable description of Mieszko's domain comes from.. a Jewish-Arab slave trader known as Ibrahim ibn Yaqub. //Halibutt 15:32, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. Could be plausible. Still a bit weird if they were coming from Andalucia. How did they get slaves across all the christian countries along the way? If it's put in the article it should be clear that it is more or less enlightened speculation not hard facts.

chechens?

There are alot of Chechen s living in Poland and other who fleed there for many decades.They are singificant amongst the Muslim population there.Anyone knowing more can maybe add the mention of Chechens to the article.-Vmrgrsergr 06:37, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

how many?

Isn't "5000 muslims" an underestimation or outdated? I could not find any source for this number. There seem not to be any official statistics but most internet sources claim around 30,000 muslims in Poland, e.g. http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3750940,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.189.125.88 (talk) 16:52, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

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Existing content is all good, but there seems to be room for significant expansion. Badbilltucker 16:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

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31k number?

After reverting some vandalism, I went to check the number myself but I can't find any truly RS that cite the 31k number. It seems to vary between 20k-35k in most sources with 20k being the most common and frequent. The book that I found cites 35k however the actual reference they use, I do not believe to be RS as that statistic is cited with this: Here it is important to stress that for each Muslim adherence to Islam or being a ‘Muslim’ means differentthings and the notion of Muslimness should be approached with great care in order not to essentialize it. For elaboration of different aspects of Muslimness see Pę dziwiatr 2007: 42-45 or 2010: 111-113. However the most common number I'm seeing is 20k and in particular I find Pew research to be reliable. Here are some links to the research I did:

• European report on European Islamophobia Report 2015 - cites 35k (credited to the paper below)
• Paper from U of Warsaw
• Pew research 20k
• POLAND 2014 INTERNATIONAL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM REPORT - cites 20k

So thoughts on changing Currently the total number of Muslims in Poland is estimated at around 31,000, most of whom are Sunni to 20k? CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 12:31, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

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NPOV breaching Conspiracy theory bullshit with racist elements about "Tocharian traders and refugees"

Stop this modern historical mythology bullshit. Taking into account the fact that this segment of the article has zero citations (wonder why that could be huh?) and essentially constitutes WP:OR, There is no evidence to my knowledge of ANY trade between Poles and the Tocharians, Yuezhi or Khotanese, nor of any of the peoples of the Tarim basin. Just because some of them had the R1b haplotype genetically does NOT imply a continuous trade connection with Poland, only partially shared (and likely, ancient) ancestry. The link to the "Tokar families" (Which I'm assuming are implied to be Tocharians, but it's not really clear as the sentence is filled with bloody non-sequiturs up the bumhole) just leads to a disambiguation page with absolutely no reference to any Silesian family whatsoever, and even then, this would be an amateur connection at best because the Tocharians did not call themselves Tocharian - the name Tocharian is a neologism coined by 20th century European anthropologists, historians and linguists who wanted to give a name to the people in question, NOT an endonym. And there is no connection beyond similarities beyond Nomenclature between Khotan and the Gotini.

And the line about "Indo-European Central-Asian territories then being invaded and ethnically cleansed by various expanding Turkic Khaganates" is straight up typical NPOV-Breaching Slav Fascist propaganda cutting into WP:UNDUEWEIGHT and WP:POVPUSH, specifically with the claims of ethnic cleansing and the emphasis that the "refugees" (like every people group back then who migrated, same as the "invading Turkic khaganates"?) were "Indo-European Central Asian" (codeword: "Our Aryan Brothers"). Not to mention that the claims of what is essentially genocide are not substantiated by the evidence:

... the western East Asians are more closely related to Uyghurs than the eastern East Asians. ... STRUCTURE cannot distinguish recent admixture from a cline of other origin, and these analyses cannot prove admixture in the Uyghurs; however, historical records indicate that the present Uyghurs were formed by admixture between Tocharians from the west and Orkhon Uyghurs (Wugusi-Huihu, according to present Chinese pronunciation) from the east in the 8th century AD.

Hell, go to fucking Xinjiang. I have. You will see a few Uyghurs with fair hair or blue-green eyes. Tocharians weren't killed off, they mingled with Turkic peoples, and later, other Western and Eastern peoples, and even today they are generally genetically closer to the West than the East. That is not genocide, shove off with this thinly veiled racist mythology bullshit.

Finally, even after all of this was mentioned, this entire segment has no WP:RELEVANCE to this Wikipedia page, Islam in Poland', as the Khotanese and Tocharians WERE NOT MUSLIMS.'

Are Poles in the business of making up bollocks history now to suit their modern political views about muslim immigration nowadays? I'm not surprised given the fact that it's now illegal to speak freely of any Polish involvement in Nazi war crimes on punishment of up to four years in prison. And to think people believe the backwards Polak nation couldn't fall any further! HA!

I'm deleting this hot mess.

Dancetothehouse (talk) 06:32, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

@Dancetothehouse: "go to fucking Xinjiang", "backwards Polak nation"? Please be civil and refrain from using vulgar statements. Wikipedia is not a Facebook comments section. You can contribute to WP, or remove unsourced text without resorting to similar rants. - Darwinek (talk) 15:36, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Violence against Muslims

"Despite the fact that Muslims in Poland constitute less than 0.1% of the total population, stereotypes, verbal, violent, and physical displays of anti-Islam are widespread and, mostly, socially acceptable.[2][17] Vandalism and attacks on the very few existing mosques are reported,[18][19] and women (especially converts) who cover themselves are seen as "traitors" to their own culture.[citation needed]"

This does not strike me as a very adequate characterisation of the current situation of the Muslims in Poland. If you guys wanna be taken seriously & not make fools of yourselves maybe you should quote a range of reputable, knowledgeable and neutral sources. 2003:E6:701:2B17:94F5:E45B:6153:AE (talk) 21:14, 27 April 2022 (UTC) Wojciech Żełaniec

Violence against Muslims

"Despite the fact that Muslims in Poland constitute less than 0.1% of the total population, stereotypes, verbal, violent, and physical displays of anti-Islam are widespread and, mostly, socially acceptable.[2][17] Vandalism and attacks on the very few existing mosques are reported,[18][19] and women (especially converts) who cover themselves are seen as "traitors" to their own culture.[citation needed]"

This does not strike me as a very adequate characterisation of the current situation of the Muslims in Poland. If you guys wanna be taken seriously & not make fools of yourselves maybe you should quote a range of reputable, knowledgeable and neutral sources. 2003:E6:701:2B17:94F5:E45B:6153:AE (talk) 21:14, 27 April 2022 (UTC) Wojciech Żełaniec

shades of green on the map difficult to distinguish

the map should be replaced by one with colors that make it more easy to read off the corresponding values of the legend. 128.237.82.5 (talk) 21:16, 28 October 2023 (UTC)