Talk:Irish involvement in the Spanish Civil War

Possible Merger?

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Closed: No merger. Xyl 54 (talk) 23:06, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

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I feel that this page should be merged into the spanish civil war page. No other country that was involved gets their own page on the spanish civil war, this is typical of Irish nationalism.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.215.149.97 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 7 April 2008‎

-- I disagree. This page just needs to be expanded upon. The facts about the Irish blueshirts are to great to be thrown into another page. It also has nothing to do with Irish nationalism and should not be considered so by a person's ignorance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.93.45.130 (talk) 19:19, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I also disagree, though I think that the article is just another re-run of the Irish volunteers for the Republican side. Nothing wrong with the subject, but it rambles and is thin. It says nothing about the fact that most Irish people supported the Francoist side, mainly because of the murders of priests in the first few weeks. I have just redone Irish Brigade (Spanish Civil War).Red Hurley (talk) 16:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree that this article recapitulates the material on republican volunteers and is thin, so I propose merging the Irish Socialist Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War here. The idea is to consolidate all the content on Irish involvement in the war in the general articles and deal with it holistically here, while retaining separate articles with discrete scope such as Connolly Column and Irish Brigade (Spanish Civil War).  Skomorokh, barbarian  11:04, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I see no reason this merger should not take place. My only question would be why keep Connolly Column separate? As far as I am concerned, the articles on the Column and on the Irish Socialist Volunteers in general cover the same material. Why not simply merge all articles on Irish involvement in Spain here? ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 14:21, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Split this article and merge into two already existing. The reds already have an article, while the info on the Irish Christians can be merged with Foreign volunteers for National Spain. - Yorkshirian (talk) 12:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I oppose the proposal. If there is to be any merger, given the text as it stands, the merger should be into Irish Socialist volunteers, as much of the article is taken up with them. My inclination would be to gut this article to become a disambiguation article. Otherwise this article needs to be (a) a complete merger of both Irish Contingent articles in this article or (b) move the Connolly Column element of this article into that one, so that this one steers a middle ground. I suspect part of the problem is that there were Irish volunteers on the anti-Fascist side who weren't communists or ex-IRA and don't want to be associated with them. But I can't see how we can accommodate that without giving WP:Undue weight to them. --Red King (talk) 16:00, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

"Ireland and the Spanish Civil War" as proposed doesn't cover both sides (though it could), and the Socialist volunteers could do with some non-POV sources (e.g. there is no mention of their mutiny). Yorkshirian - you can create a link on what is a much smaller page.Red Hurley (talk) 15:15, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

More - Irish Socialist Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War is full of "notable" people with no links - not notable on wiki however. Ireland and the Spanish Civil War is about Ryan's escape - should be on his page - and leaves out the Connolly Column. All 3 could be merged with Irish Brigade (Spanish Civil War), but leaving out all those very un-notable "notables".Red Hurley (talk) 15:24, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not really in favour of a merger - I feel each of these articles has its own place - but none of these articles is particularly good. Ireland and the Spanish Civil War should cover both sides. Irish Socialist Volunteers in the Spanish Civil War has lots of stuff on Ireland that doesn't belong there (Republican Congress, etc), while it omits other important stuff in Spain. Ryan's escape is adequately covered on his page and doesn't need to be anywhere else. My first preference would be to prune the articles of unnecessary and irrelevent stuff and then re-write what's left. Otherwise I'd tend to agree with what Red Hurley has written. Hohenloh ⁺ 20:10, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

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I've closed this; it is seven years old and nothing has been done about it (and there was little support for the idea in the first place) Also, many of the objections (other countries involvement, should cover both sides: see below) have now been addressed. Xyl 54 (talk) 23:06, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Line removed from initial paragraph as incorrect - "however it was the only nation where those volunteers supporting Franco outnumbered the volunteers who opposed him.." Portugal being the another example. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.167.220.4 (talk) 09:08, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Re-write

I am re-writing this: As has been raised above, an article on "Irish involvement in the Spanish Civil War" ought to cover the involvement on both sides of the conflict, not just those for the Republicans; and on those it should cover more than just Frank Ryan. So I will much of the stuff about Ryan (some is irrelevant to the subject, all of it is in Ryan's article), added stuff about those in the International Brigade, and put in a section about the Irish Brigade, which supported the Nationalists. I trust everyone is OK with that. Xyl 54 (talk) 22:02, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

OK, done. Xyl 54 (talk) 23:02, 24 April 2016 (UTC)