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Roadmap to GAeditThe article has come a long way. In the interest of greasing the skids for the GA nomination, here are some thoughts:
Cheers. HausTalk 09:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC) ThankseditI'm inclined to remove the timeline list completely - it can be a separate article ClemMcGann (talk) 16:14, 28 August 2009 (UTC) removed (separate article) PictureseditPerhaps I could just get more of them? ClemMcGann (talk) 16:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC) Does it need more? ClemMcGann (talk) 02:22, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Propaganda?editCheck those stats from "His Majesty's Stationery Office" - they are official but were published in 1944
Just for the recordeditArticle scopeeditExcluding naval ships, lifeboats, lightships (attack on isolda), shore rescues, dispute over treaty ports, fishing boats (though include Leukos as it ties in with U-26) exclude other fishers such as naomh garbhan ClemMcGann (talk) 02:33, 1 September 2009 (UTC) - ClemMcGann (talk) 13:11, 26 March 2010 (UTC) Structureedit
Q:should the trade war be a para? ClemMcGann (talk) 23:55, 14 April 2010 (UTC) Imperial Measuresedituse the convert template ClemMcGann (talk) 13:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
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editI am now returning to this article. All suggestions on how to promote it to GA (or better?) welcome ClemMcGann (talk) 13:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- I will wait until the end of May before trying for GA ClemMcGann (talk) 00:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
comparison with Norway.
edit"The gross register tonnage of Irish ships was 41,105. Norway, a similar sized (initially) neutral nation, had 4,834,902 tonnage.[13]"
I am not sure this comparison is reasonable. While the nations might be similar size Norway had a very strong tradition for trade, control over foreign trade was one of the most important factors that lead to the dissolution of our union with Sweden. So cirumstances differ to a very large extent. Taemyr (talk) 11:33, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the comment, and you have a point. I put the comparison in during peer review, see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Peer_review/Irish_Mercantile_Marine_during_World_War_II (the discussion on "diminutive"). The point I was trying to make was that Ireland needed such tonnage. And was probably using such tonnage - using foreign boats. Have you a suggestion as to how that would be best illustrated? - regards - ClemMcGann (talk) 11:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- It's tricky. Pretty much any country will either rely on foreign shipping, or operate a mercant fleet as a revenue source. Other countries would be a better comparison though, Norway at the outbreak of the war was the fourth largest merchant fleet in the world. Most comparisons would be scewed though because Ireland was in a very unique position. Do we have comparisons with Sweden, which perhaps is a closer match, beeing another neutral nation effectivly under blockade? Or perhaps a better comparison would be existing merhcant capacity compared to estimatition of needed merchant capacity? Taemyr (talk) 12:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- In that case, I won't suggest Greece! I'll see what stats exist. And OR is ill-regarded on wiki. And I'm off on vacation shortly. If you find any, then I'm interested. - regards - ClemMcGann (talk) 16:41, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- I haven't another example. The point (diminutive) needs to be made. While Norway is not a perfect example, it does illustrate the point. - and Bernard Share's book uses Norway as the example - ClemMcGann (talk) 06:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- In that case, I won't suggest Greece! I'll see what stats exist. And OR is ill-regarded on wiki. And I'm off on vacation shortly. If you find any, then I'm interested. - regards - ClemMcGann (talk) 16:41, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- It's tricky. Pretty much any country will either rely on foreign shipping, or operate a mercant fleet as a revenue source. Other countries would be a better comparison though, Norway at the outbreak of the war was the fourth largest merchant fleet in the world. Most comparisons would be scewed though because Ireland was in a very unique position. Do we have comparisons with Sweden, which perhaps is a closer match, beeing another neutral nation effectivly under blockade? Or perhaps a better comparison would be existing merhcant capacity compared to estimatition of needed merchant capacity? Taemyr (talk) 12:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for the comment, and you have a point. I put the comparison in during peer review, see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Peer_review/Irish_Mercantile_Marine_during_World_War_II (the discussion on "diminutive"). The point I was trying to make was that Ireland needed such tonnage. And was probably using such tonnage - using foreign boats. Have you a suggestion as to how that would be best illustrated? - regards - ClemMcGann (talk) 11:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Editorial notes...
editI've reorganized the opening and shortened the quote: in light of the numbers given in the paragraph immediately before it "most of which has been sunk" does NOT make a good impression. Cheers, Shir-El too 18:18, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
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