Talk:Insurgency in Northeast India

Merger proposal

I propose to merge Insurgency in Northeast India into Separatist movements of India. I think that the northeast insurgency movements can be explained as a subsection in the article which has the separatist movements all over India. There is no need for a separate article just for the North east. Rasalghul1711 (talk) 17:12, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Its kinda more complex and multifaceated than that (compared to other movements in India), hence the need for a separate article. Tasumluke (talk) 02:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Move

I've undid the undiscusssed move to Violence in North-East India -- violence may include any expression of physical force (e.g. domestic violence or a man stabbing another man in a bar over money matters). This article is not about generic violence -- it's about separatist violence. utcursch | talk 11:21, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Upheaval not documented

According to the news, hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced due to violence. But you wouldn't know that by this page. Just a listing of organizations. Student7 (talk) 17:54, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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Possible Bias.

I don't think its possible to deny this article has an extremely pro-Indian bias, you can just naturally tell by reading it, the person who wrote this clearly has a pro-Indian stance and it radiates propaganda from it, which shouldn't be on any Wikipedia article. Irregardless of the group in question, Wikipedia always must remain neutral even when talking about horrible groups like ISIS, the word "terrorist" should only be used if the group mainly operates through terror tactics and in complete honesty most of the time even when referring to actual Terrorists like ISIS or Al-qaeda they should still be referred to by their name, putting as an example (This just an example it isn't found in the article itself) "23 terrorist where neutralized" just makes it so obvious that the article is simply biased, putting "Terrorist" even when they are terrorists makes it seem as though you are not even giving them the befit of calling them by their name and putting neutralized instead of kill is just a way to make the "23" less gruesome by using a white wash term "neutralize", instead it should be "23 ISIS fighters died". Not only that but most of the groups here don't fit the definition of Terrorist, most of these groups seem like Armed Separatists, or Militants not terrorists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Front_of_Boroland#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Liberation_Front_of_Assam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_National_Liberation_Front Vallee01 (talk) 22:39, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Role of KIA-CNA

Hey @EmeralRange, thanks for the comment. I want to add onto this topic, as I feel that it has still not been edited for new developments. Its a well known fact that KIA and CNA have been working closely with Insurgents in the NER region of India- especially since their goals are aligned, for establishing an independent federal country. Initially it was termed the Indo Burma Revolutionary Front but later changed to United Liberation Front of Wesea: I want to work on this page too. I did not know how to insert sources for thiss- how to cite it. It would be helpful if you could assist me. Here are the sources:

https://www.burmalibrary.org/reg.burma/archives/199906/msg00528.html https://caravanmagazine.in/vantage/common-platform-insurgent-groups-northeast-unlfw-worry-government https://www.usiofindia.org/publication-journal/the-naga-insurgency-part-ii.html https://www.telegraphindia.com/north-east/myanmar-jitters-for-nscn-k/cid/402992 https://www.csis.org/analysis/news-front-observations-myanmars-revolutionary-forces https://www.jstor.org/stable/45340787 https://www.efsas.org/commentaries/coordinated-india-myanmar-counter-insurgency-operations-hold-valuable-lessons-for-pakistan/

This is also the reason why India and Myanmar's junta are closely alligned at the present. The KIA also calls themselves brothers of the Kuki-Chin-Mizo people, and hence is close to this "federal concept" of being separate from both Burma and India Thanks :) Tasumluke (talk) 01:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Tasumluke, this article is written like a collection of various separate insurgencies/rebellions in NE India. So the best thing would be to find events where the KIA fought in Assam or CNA in Manipur, and add those incidents to that section.

The sources you mention don't really talk about fighting where the KIA/CNA are directly fighting in India. The sources you link talk more about the groups collaborating with each other. For that I think it's best to add in two ways. Firstly, you can add a few sentences about the links between KIA/CNA and the various other groups as an introduction to the Spillover in Myanmar section. Second, you can also expand the articles for the United Liberation Front of Asom or Kachin Independence Army to highlight the links more.

If you mean more on how to cite, I think you got it right. WP:INLINE has more information, but generally the idea of Wikipedia is that any random reader see click the citation and verify the information.

I think in regards to WeSEAN- that may be a longer-term project. If you can find enough good sources that discuss the idea of a federal country independent from both, that would be a new article in my opinion. I encourage you to play with that in your sandbox. You can let me know on my talk page if you want some review/help and go through the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process eventually. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 02:24, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Understood thank you very much. Much appreciated Tasumluke (talk) 02:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey since you are working for the Wiki Page, for myanmar I felt that you would find this article interesting: https://www.burmalink.org/one-day-world-will-recognise-sovereignty-naga-leader-part-2/ It talks about the role of Northeast insurgents in Kachin, chin and sagaing. Wanted to take your opinion on this article- there is obviously some bias, since it was written by a commander of the insurgent group themselves. I found a few articles about NSCN and Kuki National Army conducting joint operations, and attacking Tatmadaw forces. I remember reading an article about KIA outposts in India, that the Indian army had neutralised (kinda should use a more neutral word, but I am lost in diction) alongside incidents of KIA attacking certain indian army posts in anjaw, and CNA taking over a village near moreh, which is under India.

This article is kinda biased too: https://www.irrawaddy.com/opinion/guest-column/indias-ties-with-myanmar-junta-in-focus-after-chin-groups-attack-on-manipur-rebels.html

https://www.firstpost.com/opinion/why-manipur-crisis-may-rank-among-one-of-the-most-misinterpreted-tragedies-in-india-13195602.html

swarajyamag .com/north-east/ground-report-from-moreh-the-lawless-border-town-where-kuki-chin-militants-from-myanmar-call-the-shots - This is also biased in some ways. There are reports that the Chin Army is fighting in India, but this has neither been denier nor confirmed by the CNA

https://www.thedailystar.net/news/bangladesh/news/knf-gets-arms-support-other-side-border-3583666

http://www.zogam.org/formation-chin-leaders-freedom

The thing I have noticed thus far, is the difficulty in getting unbiased sources, how trying to figure out how to use these sources to write an unbiased narrative. Tasumluke (talk) 23:50, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

To satisfy WP:NPOV, you can add "both sides" of the biased viewpoints or acknowledge the bias in the source. (e.g. "Sreemoy Talukdar criticized coverage of Manipur framing it as a religious conflict for being western-biased" vs. "Violence in Manipur has nothing to do with religion"). Ultimately, it's whether the source is reliable and whether the statement is factual or an opinion. Using opinion articles even while mentioning the bias can be difficult- because the question then becomes why do we care about what Sreemoy Talukdar says? Who is he? etc.

Regarding Myanmar civil war (2021-present), we can talk more about it on my talk page or on that page's talk if you want to continue that conversation. The editors there were trying to figure out the role of India-based groups but it was very hard to pinpoint the locations (e.g. Taga in Nanyun Township etc) so if you find sources and can help improve that article, please do! EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 02:04, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Alright thank you very much. It would be my pleasure to assist with the Myanmar Page as well Tasumluke (talk) 00:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)