Talk:Initiations (Star Trek: Voyager)/GA1

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 10:53, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Comments

• Would prefer " is the second episode of the second season, and eighteenth episode overall"
• Any reason Chakotay isn't linked in the lead?
• Similarly Kazon, the first time around at least?
• "from the pilot" link suitably.
• Who are Taylor and Piller? Perhaps say "from screenwriters Taylor ...."?
• "(63–70%) " not sure what this means, nor is it mentioned anywhere else in the article.
• "the infamous shooting location" why infamous? And again, "infamous" isn't noted anywhere else in the article beside the lead.
• Do we put association affiliations after people's names in episode info boxes? Looks very odd.
• Plot is unreferenced, and I believe that to be commonplace, all besides the star date, why is that picked out?
• "Kazon-Ogla" should be "Kazon–Ogla".
• "he's attacked" avoid contractions, so "he is attacked"
• "Chakotay beams the young Kar aboard" followed by "Captured by a Kazon vessel, Chakotay..." pretty quick turn around of events here.
• "that he is scheduled for execution" who is? It's unclear with the preceding text.
• "to the planet's surface to rescue Chakotay. On the moon" planet or moon?
• "didn't care " again, avoid contractions.
• "it should've" should have.
• In the lead "street gang" was linked, in the body, just "gang" of street gang is linked. Be consistent.
• "he was simply given the part because of his " -> "he was given the part simply because of his"
• "couldn't find" could not.
• No need to link acting coach, particularly as we don't have an article (nor should we probably, more of a dictionary definition).
• "would fondly recall " why not just "fondly recalled"
• "crew who'd " who had.
• "to goof around" is not encyclopaedic unless you're quoting it, in which case it needs to be in quote marks.
• "would call", "would praise"... why not "called", "praised"?
• "Robert Beltran (Chakotay) said " you've already introduced both him and his character name before, stick to surnames only.
• "would call the" -> "called the".
• Ref 9, no need for the SHOUTING.

A few issues to resolve, so I'll put it on hold for a week. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:33, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

I'll go line-by-line if you don't mind.

• Is there any reason you'd prefer it that way? I used the current format on "Tuvix" and received no similar feedback. Just curious.

• I happen to think the prose flows better without swiftly launching into parenthesised text. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:18, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• The lede was written in piecemeal, so that's why Chakotay and Kazon weren't linked in the first paragraph.
• linked "the pilot" to Caretaker (Star Trek: Voyager)
• elaborated on the identities of Taylor and Pillar in the lede
• 63–70% is derived from the ratings in the reception section. 2.5/4 stars – 7/10 rating. I used the same tact on "Tuvix".

• Close to synthesis, not really helpful given the very small sample of scores, I'd avoid this altogether. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:18, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• I simply removed "infamous".
• I don't know if there's an SOP for it or not. Again, I employed it at "Tuvix" and didn't receive any pushback on it.

• I know if we're writing biographies we may list their honours, e.g. knighthoods, congressional medals of honour, etc, but this just means the individual is a member of a society, many of us could claim that, surely? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:18, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• If I remember correctly, the stardate wasn't discussed in the episode, but instead comes from that source. Being Star Trek, I like giving the stardate because it's so tied into the public mythos and image of the franchise.
• Should it be? I know to use n-dashes with ranges of numbers, but every source I looked up only hyphenated it.

• Maybe not, I'm overkeen. I looked at the Austria-Hungarian Empire and discovered a hyphen...! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:18, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• contractions expanded
• It really was, in the episode. He beams over the young man, and then is almost immediately found and captured by the larger mothership. Without being superfluously wordy, I don't know what to change.

• Maybe just a linking sentence, like "Almost immediately he is found and ...."? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:18, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• clarified with "the young Kazon"
• Good catch, it's a moon.
• didn't and should've expanded
• linked [[gang|street gang]]
• reworded
• couldn't expanded
• unlinked acting coach
• just a verbose turn of phrase I lean on; I changed it
• who'd expanded
• No, it's not a quote, but I couldn't figure out a better way to phrase it. Do you have any suggestions?

• What does the source say? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:18, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• made concise
• Is that a once-per-article rule? I duplicate such parentheticals when I feel it's been a while and the reader may've forgotten.

• It tends to be once per article, but yes, I've also seen people re-using links when it's been a while. Not a big deal. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:18, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

• called
• For accuracy, I always copy titles and such exactly. Should that be "Taylor, J. MSS" or "Taylor, J. Mss" and is there an SOP for that?

• Exactly isn't strictly required, and capitals for shouting is one thing we can improve, in this case I'd say it's the latter. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:18, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm happy you took a look over this article for me, and please get back to me with any further corrections or questions! — fourthords | =Λ= | 16:05, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. I note a few of your answers relate to things not being picked up or not being mentioned in a previous GAN of yours. I'm afraid I tend to review things as a blank page (in my mind) so all comments come from there. If I can find SOPs for you, I'll let you know, otherwise in general most review comments come from my experiences at FAC and FLC. I'll respond to your comments in-line shortly. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:09, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Following up.

• I copied and pasted your phrasing into the article.
• I removed the parentage ranking from the lede.
• I removed the association letters from the info box.
• I tweaked the wording in the second paragraph of the plot.
• The source actually says to "just goofing around the whole time."
• I used the capitalization you suggested for the capitalized citation.

It turns out I reused a citation when I actually should have inserted a new one from the same source, so I made that adjustment, too. Do you have any other suggestions or concerns? — fourthords | =Λ= | 22:59, 10 March 2014 (UTC)