Talk:Indophobia in Pakistan

POV/Undue/Merger tags placed on article

Discussion at Talk:Indophobia#Merger Proposal --lTopGunl (talk) 21:36, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Addition of unsourced info

Please refrain from adding your personal commentary to the article. you are welcome to add sourced info per WP:V and WP:RS. Lead is a summary of the article. do not add info to lead which is not present in more detail in the body of the article.--Wikireader41 (talk) 16:36, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

You need to clear your concept of vandalism. It is not civil to accuse of vandalism to bold edits or explained edits. Since you repeatedly say that the article is 'underconstruction' adding to the lead is not incorrect and neither did you move it to the body, you deleted it! We have dedicated articles for that content and is not personal commentary. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:44, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

please read the requirements of WP:RS, WP:LEAD and WP:V. I deleted it because it is an inaccurate POV , unsourced statement which was not discussed in the body of article at all. I have no problems adding any info if it is appropriately sourced. if it is just a personal perception then it does not belong on wikipedia. many people believe that Indophobia was the cause of partition rather than its result. But it can still be part of the body of the article if it can be sourced to a RS and not just the Madrasah Times ;-)--Wikireader41 (talk) 21:22, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

The sources being used can be likened to Vedic times which is pov :) 109.150.60.235 (talk) 23:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Non-NPOV Issue

This article presently clearly depicts the Indian school of thought about Indophobia in Pakistan and needs a complete revamping to be neutral. --SMS ^Talk 20:57, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

That is one of the reason it is going for a merger. See Talk:Indophobia. --lTopGunl (talk) 09:36, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

A bare assertion of POV by User:Sarmasd does not make it true. Kindly identify the issues and list them on talk page for discussion before the extreme case of deletion/merger is to be carried out. This is in advance notice of removal of non-Neutrality tag and Too few points of view tag if issues are not identified and listed for discussion. AshLin (talk) 18:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

This article in general narrates only one school of thought. I will like to mention some of my concerns

1. No mention of 1927 Nagpur riots.  Done AshLin (talk) 05:20, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
2. No mention of Hindu-Muslim riots of 1946. (Jaswant Singh mentioned it in his book as one of the reasons of separation) Ref not available with me but generic case already mentioned. So  Done. AshLin (talk) 05:20, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
3. Like in origin you didn't mention Imran Khan telling one of the reasons of the origin "I grew up hating India because I grew up in Lahore and there were massacres of 1947......".  Done AshLin (talk) 06:13, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
4. There is no mention of India's involvement in East Pakistan, Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa as one of the origins of Indophobia in Pakistan (Source).
5. No mention of the 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings as one of the reasons of fueling Indophobia in Pakistan.
6. No mention of Indo-Pakistan Wars.
7. No mention of Indo-Pakistan Disputes (Water, Kashmir, Siachen, Sir Creek. etc)

I hope these concerns are looked into to make this article impartial. --SMS ^Talk 23:19, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, this is more useful than the usual NPOV allegations etc, etc. Will examine these and add these in next few days. AshLin (talk) 06:14, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Good points. And even with these it can be covered well in subsection form at Indophobia, hence the merger proposal. --lTopGunl (talk) 23:24, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

On the contrary, Indophobia is a broader umbrella topic. These issues are all grist for expansion of this topic and therefore for the retention of this article. AshLin (talk) 01:53, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

It is interesting that you guys think of Husain Haqqani, Ardeshir Cowasjee,Hans Morgenthau,Seyyed Vali Reza Nasr,Condoleezza Rice and Stephen P. Cohen as representing the "Indian view". Could it just be that the whole world agrees with "Indian view" and only certain Pakistanis have an alternate view ??? You bring up an interesting viewpoint Smsarmad. add all that info if you can find it in reliable sources per WP:RS and we will have an even more comprehensive article. Were the massacres of Lahore the cause of Indophobia or a result of it ?--Wikireader41 (talk) 00:03, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Not really, because most of this article represents only one side of view while grossly ignoring many other alternative factors, such as an in-depth discussion of the Partition of India itself and its causes/origins. The Imran Khan quote is just one example of that. You've used only authors and people (and quotes) who seem to fit the one type of school of thought that you're trying to imply and construct in the article and at the same time conveniently skipping out other huge bits (such as the 2007 Samjhauta Express bombings, a terrorist attack largely blamed on Hindu fundamentalist groups or the Kashmir conflict) which contribute to Indophobia. In Wikipediastan, we call this cherry-picking. Mar4d (talk) 04:40, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Mar4d be WP:BOLD and add that info if you can find RS to state that those issues are a cause of Indophobia. if you can find other views on the causes of Indop[hobia you are welcome to add them remebering to give them WP:DUE weight only. Like I mentioned the views presented include those of several prominent Pakistani citizens. Just because somebody does not like what Haqqani or Cowasjee say does not mean that it is the "Indian view". This kind of closed minded Indophobia is exactly what this article is about. So instead of ranting go find some RS and contribute to making the article better.--Wikireader41 (talk) 05:06, 22 December 2011 (UTC)