Talk:Indictments against Donald Trump

Major changes to the article were made

Some major changes to this article were made by DFlhb without them being dicussed first. Should this article be kept closer to how it is now, with it being extra short, mostly for navigation purposes, or revert to how it was before that change, where there were sections for each case with an indictment, and a short bit of information about each?

I am asking to see what others think, as it is quite a big change that was made to the article, and no discussion about it has happened so far. Greshthegreat (talk) 19:49, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

This functions as a list/disambiguation/navigation page, so it should be very short. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 01:19, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

We're now right back to where we started, with sections (which autocollapse on mobile; that's an issue because on average 60% of mobile readers don't expand sections), some prose expansions, and low-relevance "reactions" added. As well as stuff like WP:BOLDLINK and addition of unnecessary sources when there's nothing wrong with having {{One source}}. Seems like death by a thousand cuts. I don't understand it. DFlhb (talk) 06:51, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

DFlhb, what if we format this like any other disambiguation page, with no section headings? Would that solve the problem? -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:11, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, that's better. DFlhb (talk) 19:36, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

I have made a test edit with better formatting. Let's keep this as a simple disambiguation page, not an article. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:29, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Make this a table instead of a list?

Would this article be better off as a single table instead of a prose list? Koopatrev (talk; contrib) 08:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

• I support this; it would make it easier to display the relevant information about each indictment. Partofthemachine (talk) 21:19, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Not a disambiguation page

This article cannot be a disambiguation page. First of all, it is not in the style of a disambiguation page; see WP:MOSDAB. But even if it were edited to conform to that style, it would not be a proper disambiguation page. As discussed at WP:CONCEPTDAB, "If the primary meaning of a term proposed for disambiguation is a broad concept or type of thing that is capable of being described in an article, and a substantial portion of the links asserted to be ambiguous are instances or examples of that concept or type, then the page located at that title should be an article describing it and not a disambiguation page. Where the primary topic of a term is a general topic that can be divided into subtopics, such as chronologically (e.g., History of France) or geographically (e.g., Rugby union in the British Isles), the unqualified title should contain an article about the general topic rather than a disambiguation page. A disambiguation page should not be created just because it is difficult to write an article on a topic that is broad, vague, abstract, or highly conceptual."

Here, the topic of the page is a general topic that can be divided into subtopics; that is, it is a list of indictments against a single individual, and we have separate articles about each of the several indictments. This is a general topic that is far more concrete and specific than some of the "broad, vague, abstract" possibilities mentioned in WP:CONCEPTDAB. "Indictments against Donald Trump" is a single, well-defined topic; there are not (for example) two different individuals coincidentally named "Donald Trump" who are both under indictment.

In short, this is simply a list article. It has references and clearly covers a notable topic, so there seems to be no doubt that it is a proper subject for a Wikipedia article. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:08, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

I concur based on your good explanation. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 14:53, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Now, if Don Jr. ever runs afoul of the law, we might need to revisit the issue.  :-) --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:09, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

2023 in the United States collage submission

This article was proposed as a potential choice for the 2023 in the United States collage. You are free to participate in the collage choice discussion here: Talk:2023 in the United States#Collage submissions. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 07:50, 8 November 2023 (UTC)