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If you want to include "consensus all-americans" you can do so as a separate category, but nobody ever makes the distinction in common conversation between whether an all-american was "consensus" or not. People just refer to the number of "all-americans" a school has in general. Additionally, the helm's national title is not recognized as a national title by the NCAA and is thus a mythical national championship. Editing this clarification out of the article is misleading and simply an attempt to cover up that Purdue does not in fact have a nationally recognized national title. Additionally, it's just straight fact that IU has 18 Big Ten poy honors, and to change the article otherwise is inaccurate. See both the posted reference to IU's basketball history (which is much more official than SCDUE's simple assertion that they do not have 18 poy, as he has not provided any reference stating otherwise), and Indiana Hoosiers men's basketball. It's clear that SCDUE is a huge Purdue fan, which is fine, but if he can't at least be cordial and recognize the distinctions here, he should take his editing elsewhere. --Glawton 17:12, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Again, SCDUE, you assert things you provide no reference for. Where does it say the Big Ten only recognizes consensus all-americans, or that they only award B10 poy after 1985? Please cite references if you want these to stop being reverted. And you still have not addressed the Helm's Title. Altering the article to remove the clarification regarding mythical national championship. See the section on college basketball that explicitly references the Helm's Athletic Foundation and it's exclusion from NCAA Championship Totals. Note, there is no distinction for "tournament championships," merely "NCAA National Championships." --Glawton 17:18, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Please see the BigTen Media Guide cited in my previous posts. Only Consensus All-American Selections are recognized on their team pages. If you would like to reference random All-American Selections, please research Purdue's media guide, where you will find 44 total All-Americans. Furthermore, the Media Guide establishes that the B10 POY award was established in 1985. Prior to that, independent media outlets determined unofficial, "mythical" MVP and POY honors.

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