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Mahusha

Where has the Indian rupee sign gone. Why is it showing square brackets. Mahusha (talk) 12:55 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Non-Indian user(s) of Indian rupees

Latest comment: 12 years ago4 comments4 people in discussion

The Indian Rupee is also used in Nepal (unofficially) like the ruble is used in Abkhazia and South Ossetia —Preceding unsigned comment added by PrometheusHR (talk • contribs) 11:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

The Indian rupee is used all over Nepal (including the capital city of Kathmandu), and not just the border areas as mentioned in the article. I have seen that billing software used in shops, etc. in Nepal support both Nepalese rupees and Indian rupees, so that both can be used without any conversion hassles. Pafelikaru (talk) 06:49, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

However, on all modern Indian Rupee notes, it is printed in Assamese and Bengali as Taka, not Rupee. Please see http://www.rbi.org.in/currency/Language%20Panel%20on%20Notes.html from the website of the Reserve Bank of India. It shows a denomination (10 rupees), and its representation in 15 of India's official languages.

Thus I reverted the edit, in the process rewording it to make it more readable and accurate.

In a previous edit , the phrase, "like a buck is used to refer to a US dollar was added", in reference to the mention that Taka is used to refer to the Rupee by Assamese and Bengali speakers in India.

However, this isn't a very valid analogy. Taka is used officially to refer to the Rupee in these languages (look at any Rupee note, which contains a written description of the denomination in each Indian language. For Assamese and Bengali, Taka is written. On the other hand, no legal tender in the US tender is called a "buck".

- Speaking of which, does anybody know which languages (and which scripts) exactly do the banknotes contain? Translations as above would be useful too. Thanks! -FashionNugget 15:45, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Here you go. deeptrivia (talk) 15:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC) (Fair use image removed by ImageBacklogBot).

Number describing conventions

Latest comment: 17 years ago5 comments4 people in discussion

Commas in numbers

I understand that in Hindi, there are special words for 105, 107, etc., but the standard way of writing numbers in English, and other langauges I know of, is in groups of three, even in languages like Japanese where it would make more sense to write it other ways. So, why write "1,00,000" and "1,00,00,000"? It seems odd. -- Nik42 22:52, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Lakh and crore are widely used in Indian English, and the standard way of writing those numbers in Indian English is "1,00,000", "1,00,00,000", etc. Your wording changes do make it clearer though.

Arun 18:41, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

The "commas in numbers": I would assume that these are typos / mistakes, no? The numbers should be 1,000,000 (million) and 1,000,000,000 (billion) etc. Or is the "standard way" in Indian English different? 67.117.82.2 22:59, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

The link 'Indian banknotes' is an external one and should appear under the section 'external links'. At present, it appears in the second paragraph.

commas in Rupees

Yes - the numbering system is weird and one that is difficult to read, with the commas in different places than used elsewhere - but this is correct - not a typo or mistake. One Lakh is 1,00,000 and a Crore is 1,00,00,000 . It's taken me a year to get used to it. One annoying thing is that it's hard to set up in an excel spreadsheet to display the amount with the commas in the Indian way. Any ideas... anyone?

Dieresis 09:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC) This page is probably not the place for technical-support requests.

Dieresis 09:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC) What is going on with the edit war over the number of zeroes needed for a crore (ten million). Who keeps changing it to 8 zeroes? 7 zeroes is obviously correct for anyone who knows how to count.

million/billion

In the Overview section it says: "Use of million or billion, as is standard in American or British English, is far less used." In fact the definition of "billion" is different in American and British English (10^9 vs 10^12 respectively). Which do you mean? The current wording suggests that these agree.

Hmm, Indian English doesn't say one way or the other. Billion says the 10^12 interpretation has been officially replaced in British government documents and largely abandoned in journalism and finance, and India may be more influenced by this British trend than other countries which don't primarily use English. OTOH, if they don't use it, does it matter which version is the one they don't use? --67.183.217.186 14:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

history and fiat?

Latest comment: 17 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Does anyone know what year the Rupee moved to a fiat standard instead of the silver standard? Thanks Two-Bit Sprite 23:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Devaluation

Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I believe this page can also contain devaluation history of Rupee

192.107.18.38 (talk) 08:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Good suggestion. I too support this. Shovon (talk) 09:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Symbol

Latest comment: 7 years ago10 comments5 people in discussion

Dieresis 12:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC): There is a discrepancy on the page. The third sentence states "The most commonly used symbol for the rupee is...रू." However, the panel on the right states "Symbol:...रु". Which is correct? Linguistically, either could work, but which is actually more common or officially used? By a Google survey, रु is more common. By the same standard, रुपया and रूपया are about equally common spellings. Note other spellings[1]: रूपैया, रुपैया, रूपिया, रुपिया.

৳?

Is ৳ really used in India? It is certainly not used on Indian banknotes. There is no reference for this either. Please give your thoughts.

--Akut 19:30, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

What does that symbol mean anyway? I don't recall seeing it before.--PremKudvaTalk 11:55, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
The answer is in the second paragraph of the article: "[I]n the Bengali and Assamese languages...the rupee is known as a Taka, symbol ৳..." It need not be on the banknote itself to be a symbol for the currency.Dieresis 11:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
৳ is the symbol of Bangladeshi taka, hence the symbol ৳ is used to represent Bangladeshi taka, it has no relation to the Indian rupee. The Indian rupee has the symbol ₹ in use since 2011. Hope this answers. Regards. Hydloc009 (talk) 02:03, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Removed section for new rupee symbol

I removed this information:

The Ministry of Finance of the Government of India announced on 5 March 2009, a contest to design an identifiable symbol for the rupee.[1] The contest is open to "resident Indians" and the Finance Ministry statement mentions that the "symbol should represent the historical and cultural ethos of India."[1] The new symbol will replace the current Rs.

Submissions for this contest ended on April 15, 2009. There is no mention of this contest on the Ministry of Finance governmental website. I found this dubious follow-up to the contest posted in the comments of a blog, but I do not know if it is authentic: May 1, 2009 at 4:13 pm

Result will declare on 15 April 2011 (subject to change), There are 25487 Nos of entries for currency symbol came to finance ministry. sorting of entries will start in June 2009. Auditing of each entry may take 6 months of time. after auditing selection process will begin. so boys dont get eager. each entry will go throughout the process. each participant will get certified by participation certificate. After Auditing process Participation Certificate will be delivered to participant (Might be in January 2010) We thank you all participant for their efforts in making of Indian Rupees Symbol Thank you.

— S R Raut Secretory

Here is the original entry form. I am not convinced that this contest is even legitimate, because there is no information available on judging, rules, or any number of other things I would expect from a contest.

The intro still mentions this rupee symbol contest but I am not sure that I like that. If in 2011 there is a new rupee symbol announced, then I think this contest will be significant. If not, then all mention of it should be purged from the article. Blue Rasberry 18:47, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

This is a late response to your above query. The contest was very much legit, and couple of weeks back I added the section complete with reliable media sources. The symbol has yet to be selected, since the union cabinet deferred it at their scheduled meeting.--PremKudvaTalk 05:37, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I just tagged one of your references as "not in source given" because I was unable to verify that the decision had been deferred. Do you know of any governmental websites which have current information about this process? I would think this would be important enough for the government to issue a release somewhere. Blue Rasberry 04:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah there should be a Govt site, I have been tracking it as soon as it was announced and had blogged it then. I will check and insert it here.--PremKudvaTalk 05:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Got it! Check the cite.--PremKudvaTalk 05:16, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Various denominations in use

Latest comment: 16 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

legal tender?

Some people say 1, 2, 3 paise are no longer legal tender[2][3]. Others are telling the reverse[4][5]. Which one is right? --Coin99 17:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

2 rupee coin

there's a new 2 Rs coin in circulation. anyone know about that???--WoodElf 07:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Lower denominations by the Govt. Higher denominations by the RBI

Isnt the coins and the 1 rupee note circulated by the government of India and the bigger notes 5 Rs note onwards are circulated by the RBI? The coins and 1 rupee note does not contain the RBI Governor's signature. If this is indeen the case, it should be mentioned in the article. 198.62.10.11 07:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Infobox issues

Latest comment: 14 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

What languages to include in the infobox?

Please discuss at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics#Peseta. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 04:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Trouble with infobox

There is something not right with the infobox in my browser (Firefox 3.5). The rupee notes and coins are displayed to the right at the top of the infobox, and this widens the infobox excessively, which I am sure is not the intention. I have tried simple fixes to this but none work. It also displays |- class = "mergedrow" in the infobox at that point. This is not in the page so I assume is merged from the infobox template.

I have tried simple solutions e.g. adding breaks but can't fix this. I will carry on trying but would like to bring this to your attention. I will try other browsers and post back under this head if I have more information.

Best wishes SimonTrew (talk) 16:39, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Same happens with Google Chrome and Internet Explorer. I think there is a problem with the currency-local-name field in the infobox. I can see the Hindi (Sanskrit?) text all right, but something after that maybe goes wrong. I am running Windows XP Home, unfortunately my other machine with Windows Vista is under repair and can't test on it right now, but a browser is a browser, right?

I have commented out that field right now but it is still in the text and I hope, together with the edit summary and this here, will assure you of my good faith. My suspicion lies in the template itself (and that is a good faith suspicion, not made under malice, I just think that is where problem lies).

Best wishes SimonTrew (talk) 16:49, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

It is the template, people are messing with it. Template talk:Infobox currency Enlil Ninlil (talk) 05:12, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Versions of currency

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Commemorative coins

I found no mention here of commemorative coins of India. Can someone point me to lists, perhaps! --Viren (talk) 15:29, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

EURion constellation

Do the new Rs 20 and 50 have the EURion constellation (like the new Rs. 100)? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Comments with unknown context

Latest comment: 20 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Recently, 202.9.146.106 removed the line In the Indian state of West Bengal, it is known as a Taka. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arun (talk • contribs) 20:43, 14 March 2004 (UTC)

Claim of Pakistani counterfeiting

Latest comment: 14 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

There was a harsh claim in the intro about Pakistan (the government itself) counterfeiting Indian rupees in an effort to attack India. This claim is not properly sourced and it has not been for years. I moved this claim from the intro to its own section. It needs to be deleted entirely unless it gets cited properly. The accusation is too grievous to have casual inclusion in this article. Blue Rasberry 18:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


There are no proper citations in this entire para. Someone please put unbiased sources, otherwise delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.8.87.87 (talk) 17:43, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Removed rupee currency tracking

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There was a section describing a small rupee tracking project managed by some NGO. I do not feel that this NGO does research that is significant enough to merit inclusion on this wiki article, and anyway, the NGO has only existed since 2007. I removed this section. Blue Rasberry 18:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Added historical currency exchange rates

Latest comment: 13 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

I added a table of historical currency exchange rates. There are a few things odd about this table. One is the reference. I got this data from OANDA, and anyone following the link can see that this data is not just posted there. The link is to a database, and I looked up each year individually. It is not original research, but it is an original compilation of data that is available from OANDA or any number of other sources.

Two other debatable points are that I chose certain currencies for inclusion in this table, and I arbitrarily chose the years 1996, 2000, 2004, and 2008 as years to display values. Other people may want different currencies shown or different years included, and I would not object to that. Blue Rasberry 22:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

A user attempted to add 1995 year-end rates to the table. This user noted that the type of data was different from the other data, but I did not see value in having a rate from a single arbitrary point in time as compared to the averages in the other table fields. I am open to discussion about this, but also the addition was unsourced. See the diff here. I removed the addition by restoring the original version of the table. There had also been some vandalism creep with numbers. Blue Rasberry 01:48, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

notes

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  • Rupee Circulation in India by Dickson H. Leavens in The American Economic Review, Vol. 31, No. 1 (Mar., 1941), pp. 87-90
  • The Prices of the Rupee and Silver by F. C. Harrison in The Economic Journal, Vol. 5, No. 18 (Jun., 1895), pp. 272-276
  • The Suspended Rupee and the Policy of Contraction by Dana Horton in The Economic Journal, Vol. 3, No. 11 (Sep., 1893), pp. 475-482
  • An Attempt to Estimate the Circulation of the Rupee by F. C. Harrison in The Economic Journal, Vol. 2, No. 6 (Jun., 1892), pp. 256-279
  • The Shadow Sultan: Succession and Imposture in the Mughal Empire, 1628-1640 by Jorge Flores, Sanjay Subrahmanyam in Journal of the Economic and Social History of the Orient, Vol. 47, No. 1 (2004), pp. 80-121
  • Indian Trade With the Far East and the New Rupee by Francis B. Forbes in The Economic Journal, Vol. 4, No. 13 (Mar., 1894), pp. 127-133
  • Rupee Prices in India, 1870 to 1908; with an Examination of the Causes Leading to the Present High Level of Prices by Fred J. Atkinson in Journal of the Royal Statistical Society, Vol. 72, No. 3 (Sep., 1909), pp. 496-573
  • Government Spending, Growth and Poverty in Rural India by Shenggen Fan, Peter Hazell, Sukhadeo Thorat in American Journal of Agricultural Economics, Vol. 82, No. 4 (Nov., 2000), pp. 1038-1051
  • Role of Foreign Capital in India by N. K. Chandra in Social Scientist, Vol. 5, No. 9 (Apr., 1977), pp. 3-20
  • The Early Modern Great Divergence: Wages, Prices and Economic Development in Europe and Asia, 1500-1800 by Stephen Broadberry, Bishnupriya Gupta in The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 59, No. 1 (Feb., 2006), pp. 2-31
  • The Gold Standard in India by L. in The Journal of Political Economy, Vol. 7, No. 4 (Sep., 1899), pp. 551-553
  • The Report on Indian Finance and Currency in Relation to the Gold Exchange Standard by J. Shield Nicholson in The Economic Journal, Vol. 24, No. 94 (Jun., 1914), pp. 236-247
  • Indian Currency Since the World War by J. Laurence Laughlin in The Journal of Political Economy, Vol. 35, No. 5 (Oct., 1927), pp. 613-631
  • Indian Currency in the Depression by Parekunnel J. Thomas in The Economic Journal, Vol. 48, No. 190 (Jun., 1938), pp. 237-248
  • The Indian Exchange Problem 1919-20 by R. S. Sayers in Economica, No. 34 (Nov., 1931), pp. 450-462
  • Britain and the Indian Currency Crisis, 1930-2 by B. R. Tomlinson in The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 32, No. 1 (Feb., 1979), pp. 88-99
  • Britain's Liquidity Crisis and India, 1919-1920 by G. Balachandran in The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 46, No. 3 (Aug., 1993), pp. 575-591
  • India's Wartime Finances by Andrew J. Grajdanzev in Pacific Affairs, Vol. 16, No. 4 (Dec., 1943), pp. 418-440
  • The Asian Currency Crises: Vulnerability, Contagion, or Unsustainability by André Cartapanis, Vincent Dropsy, Sophie Mametz in Review of International Economics, Volume 10, Issue 1, Date: February 2002, Pages: 79-91

and so on. see also and feel free to join me, best regards --Jan eissfeldt (talk) 19:20, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Rupee symbol

Latest comment: 13 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

can someone add this to the templates like the dollar, euro, and yen?

Need new keyboards now ;)Lihaas (talk) 08:01, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

You will have to wait.

TDIL (Technology Development for Indian Languages), on behalf of govt of India will apply to Unicode Consortium include the symbol in Unicode table and assign it a specific Number. After that only it will be globally usable. This process of Unicode approval may take a year.

In the mean time, fonts can be made and used.

Raju Das 14:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajuonline (talk • contribs)

Fonts

I am removing the following text, which was added by User:Jaypaudyal:

You can type new symbol of Indian Rupee using most popular fonts like Arial, Times New Roman etc.

1. This reference is uncited. 2. It is a new symbol so presumably will only be available in updates to existing fonts or in new fonts, not those already on most (if not all) computers, yet this is not discussed. 3. If relevant, this should be re-written in encyclopedic style, e.g., "The Indian rupee symbol has been added to updated versions of popular fonts including Arial and Times New Roman, and can be accessed by..." 4. There is no need for this statement to be in bold. 5. This reference belongs on the main Indian rupee symbol article, but probably not here. —sroc (sroc) 15:57, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Jaypaudyal : I agree with sroc and I will take care of these guidelines in near future.
I think what Jaypaudyal was referring to was the sign ₨ located at U+20A8. The new sign is yet to be 'mass produced', some private people have added it to the font set, one of them mapping it to the ~ key. None of these will help in the sign appearing widely on websites. In fact on the article we only able to show the sign as a graphic and not as a font.--PremKudvaTalk 06:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Subdivisions

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

This article needs a section on subdivisions (old and new) of the rupee. Andrew Yong (talk) 17:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Proposed rename to Indian rupee

Latest comment: 13 years ago12 comments5 people in discussion
The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
See also: discussion on moves for Rupee Sign and Generic Rupee Sign, and Indian National Rupee Sign

This is in line with Wikipedia naming conventions for article title format, that uppercase only be used for the first letter and proper nouns. Rupee is a common noun, not a proper noun, in the same way that dollar, euro, franc and currency sign are not proper nouns. The Wiktionary also shows rupee in lowercase, as well as other Wikipedia articles. Just because it is the title of the article does not mean that each word should be capitalised.

The word "national" also appears to be redundant, as India is a nation and the rupee applies to the whole of India, so there is no need to disambiguate this. Sroc (talk) 04:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

The argument was made in the edit description, but I think the idea was that "Indian National Rupee" is a proper noun for the Indian rupee. Could someone provide a citation for naming the monetary unit in India? Here is a source for the Reserve Bank of Indian saying that INR is an abbreviation for the proper noun "Indian Rupee." Blue Rasberry 05:05, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
"Rupee" is consistently used in lowercase throughout the current article, with a few exceptions. It is also listed as "Indian rupee" in the table of currency codes at ISO_4217#Active_codes, which consistently uses lowercase for the names of currencies (other than the names of their respective places, which are proper nouns in their own right). Sroc (talk) 05:27, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
By the way, the currency code INR is formed as the country code IN followed by R for rupee, not as an acronym for Indian National Rupee. Sroc (talk) 05:31, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Agree, it should be in lower case, and also agree to move it back to Indian rupee which is what it is instead of the very cumbersome Indian National Rupee.--PremKudvaTalk 05:34, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Support - INR is Indian Rupee or Indian rupee. No idea about the case of R. who moved this page to the new title!!Arjuncodename024 08:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
It was unilaterally moved by SivaneshR for both this article and the Indian rupee sign article.--PremKudvaTalk 11:13, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

What we need is one article Indian rupee, one article for the new character Indian rupee sign, and one article for the Rupee, and one article for the older character Rupee sign. That is all that is needed. Simple and logical. -- Evertype·✆ 19:16, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree. This is also what we have now. I do not think anyone has advanced any arguments for anything else. Blue Rasberry 19:44, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
Actually there have been other proposals on other pages. One person moved Rupee sign to Generic rupee sign and I moved it back. -- Evertype·✆ 15:58, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, Rupee sign should not be moved to Generic rupee sign. If someone does that again without starting a discussion first then hit them with a WP:TROUT. Blue Rasberry 20:34, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Dunno about fish, but someone did it and I reverted and was obliged to merge an annoying fork too. -- Evertype·✆ 22:22, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

"Controversy"

Latest comment: 13 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

My feeling is that the alleged controversy over the new symbol belongs if it belongs anywhere - at Indian rupee sign and not at Indian rupee, Rupee or anywhere else.

Several editors appear to agree, in as much as they have also reverted repeated attempts to add the "controversy" to the WP:LEAD.

Regardless, the lead is absolutely not the right place for the controversy to go: the point of the lead is to summarise the rest of the article.

TFOWR 15:31, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. —sroc (talk) 15:50, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
The editor has now (against my advice) added it within the body of the article. I leave it to the regular editors to decide whether this should be here. As I'm clearly involved at this point I would not be comfortable protecting the article. However, you may wish to consider requesting protection at WP:RFPP if you are unable to communicate with the editor and they persist against any consensus. TFOWR 16:18, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
I have removed it again as it is adequately covered at Indian rupee sign. I shall also leave a 3RR warning at the user's talk page as they have already exceeded that. I42 (talk) 16:36, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Using the new Indian Rupee Symbol in all articles

Latest comment: 13 years ago9 comments5 people in discussion

Can we start using the template {{INR}} -> ₹ in place of Rs. Granted that it prints an image now, but if we replace all occurrences of Rs. with this and for all instances going forward, then it would be easy to shift to the new rupee symbol when it becomes available in Unicode because we would just need to update the template instead of all articles that use Rs. Virtualage (talk) 10:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Once it is available in unicode, why would we want a template? Would it not be better to wait for the unicode symbol and do the conversion then? If not, why not? Blue Rasberry 13:38, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
It will take some time for the formal standardization process to be completed, if you want to wait that long. I have made a font called Rupakara available which has the glyph at the agreed code position. I am optimistic and believe that the code position will not change. If you see the character between the em dashes here—₹—then you have a font installed that handles it. -- Evertype·✆ 13:48, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
If evertype allows me to comment (=/= Go edit something else, please): the template could use the font, thereby solving the delay & missing fonts. So the template {{INR}} would make the best way to show the INDIAN RUPEE SIGN right away. -DePiep (talk) 20:56, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Must you be so peevish? -- Evertype·✆ 22:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
No. -DePiep (talk) 22:30, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Reason why we can use the template right away - It would be difficult to enter the rupee symbol for most people even after the Unicode symbol is available - so using a template would be simple enough. We would just place the symbol within the template. I wouldn't want to use a special font - unless - it replaces the "Rs." Unicode -> ₨ with the new sign. Even though we use an image now, the alt text says "Indian Rupee" so its still meaning full. If we use a font that uses ` or some other character, the text data loses meaning. (Also we cannot expect everyone to have a font, and shouldn't expect Wikipedia to force the use of one) Virtualage (talk) 06:25, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed most of the newspapers and TV shows are slowly moving over to the new sign, even though it is as yet unavailable on Unicode. I feel that it can be used since you a template for it. The Govt too has asked the various state govts to encourage usage of the new sign. Many of the online shopping sites I go to show the new sign [albeit in its image form] and so I am getting used to rolling the word 'rupees' off my tongue when I see ₹. So why not give it a shot! As a starter I am doing that to an article I currently edit.--PremKudvaTalk 10:44, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Using it in Sakshat as well... Virtualage (talk) 11:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Let's clarify

Latest comment: 13 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion
  • The currency INR has currency code ISO 4217 => INR 356 2 "Indian rupee" Bhutan, India, Nepal (situation say 1-1-2010)
  • The new INR symbol is adopted July 2010. But this is the same currency INR, innit?

Lets keep this clear in articles:

If the "Rupee sign" differs from the "Indian rupee sign" as a currency, we should describe clearly. If not they are the same -> write the same

And for which sign?

I'd say always use the template {{INR}} for (currency) "Rupee sign" = "[new] India Rupee sign", per above: the same curency (INR).

  • Then the template {{INR}} can solve everything:

- First use an image - Then (after Unicode-availability): use a font No user should be caring or see a problem.

  • Since the new symbol represents the same currency, template {{INR}} solves the improvements. (If not the same currency: help me out please).

- DePiep (talk) 23:21, 18 August 2010 (UTC) (copyedit only -DePiep (talk) 23:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC))

Just making it more clear - the {{INR}} template should be used only with the Indian Rupee. Rupee of other countries would continue to use Rs unicode or any other appropriate symbol. - Virtualage (talk) 05:47, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, currently the new sign is to be only used for the Indian rupee. Unless in the future you know other countries [highly unlikely] borrow it like the $ sign and so like the HK$ you might have the Pak₹ or the SriLankan₹:-) But today I feel that this sign will be used only for the Indian rupee. Unlike the $ sign I don't think others will 'borrow' it.--PremKudvaTalk 06:28, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

History

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Do we need such a big history section when we have a separate History_of_the_rupee and we're already linking to it? Would it be better to detail with the post-independence history alone in this article and move everything else to the main History of the rupee article? - Virtualage (talk) 11:20, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Use of non-free images on this article

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This article has been identified as containing an excessive quantity of non-free content. Per the Foundation's requirement to keep non-free media use minimal, and per Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria #3, the non-free images on this article have been removed. Please note:

  • The presence of a fair use rationale for this article on an image description page does not make it acceptable for a given use.
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Use of non-free images on this article

Currencies are exempt from that.

 Y Wikipedia:NFCI

Sumanch (talk) 04:58, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

  • You're missing the point of the guideline. If there were a particular article about a particular piece of currency, then having images to depict it would be useful. This is very much akin to our lenience with regards to album covers on album specific articles. We do not permit album covers on discographies, and similarly including non-free images of every unit of currency on an article such as this is strongly discouraged as well. The reality is the mass overuse of non-free images in this article has placed it in the top 30 of articles on this project in terms of non-free image use. Extreme use requires extreme justification. That's entirely absent here. --Hammersoft (talk) 02:02, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Hope this is a better approach. Sumanch (talk) 16:49, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
  • No. Tables of images are never done like this, with the simple reason being that if the images were only linked to this table, and not used anywhere else, they would be deleted as orphaned. The point of WP:NFCC and WP:NFC is to reduce the burden of non-free content use on articles throughout the project, as we are a free content encyclopedia. This doesn't reduce the burden at all. Also, this table is duplicated at Mahatma Gandhi Series (banknotes). --Hammersoft (talk) 16:58, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't agree with you. I wont have time to argue my point until Friday. I will post my response then. Sumanch (talk) 05:04, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

  • That's fine. When you have the time, consider within your response why this list should include links to images when no other list does. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:12, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
  • As a matter of fact, images are done like this. Please take a look here KRW and here List of motifs on banknotes. The page does not have excessive images, just the ones that are required to portray all the currency denominations. The guidelines clearly state that such images may be used for currency identification. RahulG (talk) 11:14, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
  • OK! So this is why I think the use of the images or creating links to the images does not violate the NFCC -
  1. These images fall under Wikipedia:NFCI acceptable use exemption #3.
  2. These images do not fall under any of the NFC Unacceptable use criteria.
  3. All of these images comply with NFCC #1,#2,#4-#10.
  4. The contentious issue of compliance with NFCC #3 is described below -
    1. These images comply with NFCC #3.b. because the when we are discussing the banknotes, a portion of the image will not sufficiently describe the subject mater. Therefore, a low resolution image of the specimen is used.
    2. These images do not violate the spirit or the letter of NFCC #3.a. because of the following reason -
      1. These images identify the Indian currencies. This is an article about the Indian currency and the images do not have vested commercial interest (like album covers).
      2. So, to identify the currency notes, an image of each currency note must be included in the article. (We cannot say see one example and rest of them look just that, or these are the differences)
      3. So, an article about currency can use a vast number of images. Therefore, to reduce the bandwidth required to load such an article, We can use one sample image and use link for the rest.
      4. However, for the article about a particular series of banknotes every image must be used.
      5. These images are not describing the subjects of the banknotes, like Gandhi, the Himalayas, or the lion capitol, but the subject mater - the banknotes.
  • So, statistically it may appear that this article uses too many NFC images. But, to have any encyclopedic value these images must be included in the article and that is within the letter and spirit of NFCC. Sumanch (talk) 02:30, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
    • Your argument that the banknotes all being sufficiently different is false. Each banknote appears to be the same general format with a different color, person represented, and denomination, of course. One example image is sufficient with text descriptions for the rest. So a single front and back image is appropriate, but not for each denomination. --MASEM (t) 02:46, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
      Please take a look at the reverse and obverse sides of the images. The imprints are obviously different. I wonder if there should be a measure to determine difference checking, which is pretty obvious.
      RahulG 11:15, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
@Sumanch:
  • Re clearing #3. As previously explained, no they don't. If they were on an article specifically about that particular piece of currency, yes. On a list like this, no. If you were correct, we'd permit album covers on discographies. We don't.
  • Re clearing unacceptable use. Not true. Please note that area says "non-inclusive". From there, please read WP:NFTABLE and WP:NFLISTS.
  • Re clearing NFCC #1; false. Please read where it says "or replaced with a freer alternative". We already have such a freer alternative at File:Indian rupees.png, which is already in use on the article making the individual images redundant.
  • Re passing 2/4/10; Fine. That still leaves the rest of NFCC. This isn't an optional list. All requirements must be met in full.
  • Re passing 3b; as previously noted, there already is a replacement. You don't have to show every detail of every bank note in a system to have an encyclopedic understanding of what the currency system looks like. We are not a guide; we are an encyclopedia. There is a distinct difference.
  • Re passing 3a; also false. There is no sufficient justification to include such a mass overuse of non-free images. Again, we are an encyclopedia. We are not a guide showing every discrete piece of information possible about every subject possible. If a particular design gained fame as reported in secondary sources there's justification for inclusion. Including designs without such a basis creates a situation that is untenable. Including the images would place this article in the top 0.00057% of all articles on Wikipedia in terms of the amount of use of non-free images. This is extreme, extreme use of non-free images. Extreme use requires extreme justification. That's completely absent here.
  • As I said, you don't have to include every image to be encyclopedic. If you did, then you could make the same argument that we'd have to have sound clips from every track of every album. Else, we wouldn't be encyclopedic. We'd also have to have character images of every character in every series, film, TV, and print. Else, we wouldn't be encyclopedic. The argument you are making flies in the face of everything we do here vis-a-vis non-free content. --Hammersoft (talk) 02:54, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Hammersoft, your concern is well placed. However, these images have no other replacement. Also, not all notes or coins are listed. The fact that something (like a currency) is so vital in our lives justifies it's placement in the encyclopedia. Again, what you say regarding character in every series, in that case, it should have established WP:NOTABILITY. For example, we have Harry Potter, Order of the Phoenix (organisation), Albus Dumbledore, Rachel Green, et cetera. These are items that have changed human lives and thus worthy of residing in the encyclopedia. Again, talking about excessive usage, it is rather odd that such a weasel word be used in this context. The page in question, Indian Rupee does not have excessive usage of non-free images. The wikipedia policy has been to exempt such images (like the currency). I have cited examples, where non-free images in currency formats in precisely the format that has been laid out in this article.
    RahulG (talk) 11:13, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
We're not a numismatics nor a tourist guide. We are not here to assume that a person can easily identify any currency from any country via visual identification. We are here to discuss the currency, some of the choices made when the issuing entity created the currency, and other encyclopedic factors. A limited number of images can be used to illustrate this, with other bills that otherwise look the same described by text. But they are not vital.
You're also missing the point of NFCI#3; it allows for limited except for using images of a specific piece of currency when it is discussed in depth in an article; that's not happening here, you're just listing out currency. Thus, NFCI#3 does not apply to this article. --MASEM (t) 14:17, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Concur with Masem. RahulG, it is not at all uncommon for people to not fully understand the idea of being encyclopedic. Let me try to illustrate a few examples. (1) A recipe book. In a recipe book, you expect to find the ingredients necessary to make a dish, along with the instructions on how to cook it. You also might find a picture of it, and perhaps some analysis of the nutritional content. You would not expect to find a history of egg production, the relative merits of free range chickens, a discussion of the benefits of using egg replacements vs. real eggs, a listing of the different species of chickens, and how often they lay eggs. (2) A dictionary. In a dictionary, you expect to find the definition of a given word, a pronunciation guide, and perhaps some identification of its linguistic root. You do not expect to find a detailed listing of all languages in the world that use a similar word, a tree diagram showing its linguistic history, the linguistic evolution of the name within the language, or a history of the social aspects of the word. (3) Tourism guide. In such a guide, you would expect to find a listing of hotels/motels/bed & breakfasts. With such a guide you would not expect to find the annual financial reports for each hotel, the current menus for its on site restaurant, the IPO history if it is a chain, a listing of the labor law violation filings over the last ten years, water safety analysis for the last five years for its pool, a detailed listing of its supplier chain, or a listing of its large corporate accounts. In each case, there is a delineated scope, and what lies outside of that scope are things the reader would not expect to find.
  • Wikipedia, or any encyclopedia, is no different. The term 'encyclopedia' can be used in a number of ways. In our case, we have made a clear decision to not be a guide and not be an indiscriminate collection of information. We have decided to base our information on reliable sources. We have also decided to limit the amount of non-free content on the project to that which we must have in order to be encyclopedic. Using every single image of every single unit of currency in a system infringes on all of these standards, not least of which is using 100% of the set of non-free content held by a rights holder to write an article. There is no way in which that can be construed as minimal use. It's maximal use; you're using EVERYthing you can in the set. A representative sample, such as the already in use with File:Indian rupees.png is sufficient. Any expansion beyond that for the paper currency needs to be discussion of a particular design of a particular element of the currency system as supported by reliable secondary sources. That's it. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:39, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

RfC: NFC images of currencies

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The use of NFC images of currencies is exempt under Wikipedia:NFCI #3. However, NFCC policy does not clarify whether the exemption is a blanket waiver on the use of NFC currency images. Sumanch (talk) 21:08, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

  • As explained above at Talk:Indian_rupee#Use_of_non-free_images_on_this_article, the use isn't supported. You are interpreting NFCI #3 too broadly. Please read the top section of NFCI where it says "failure to meet (nfcc stndards) overrides any acceptable allowance here." You've been shown how they don't. --Hammersoft (talk) 21:17, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Agreed with Hammersoft your interpretation of NFCI #3 is too broad. --MOLEY (talk) 22:58, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Concur with Hammersoft. There is simply no need to show an image of every unit of currency; a simple selection would suffice. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 10:03, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
  • I'd also agree with Hammersoft and note that the NFCI list, like the others, is not truly a list of exemptions. What it truly gives you is common examples of items that meet NFCC standards, it does nothing to change the standards.‡ MAHEWA ‡ • talk 17:15, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

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Languages

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I feel Konkani should be added to the list of languages on the currency. For that sake, even Assamese is missing. The ordering can be changed according to the ordering given on the currencies, check RBI's Currency - Language Panel. Pranavashok (talk) 07:19, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

In the past

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  • 3 Pies = 1 Pice
  • 4 Pice = 1 Anna
  • 16 Annas = 1 Rupee Böri (talk) 13:05, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Page Move !!

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why "R" should be in LOWER CASE?? Can we move Indian rupee → Indian Rupee (of course this redirects to this same article) , if can`t why ??? DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 09:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC).

Wikipedia convention is being followed here, check United States dollar and other currencies. It is always in lower case.--PremKudvaTalk 11:47, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Using the new sign in wikipedia articles

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Is it time that we used the sign that appears in the font (₹) rather than the image (₹)? Or are all computers still not able to display it?--PremKudvaTalk 11:02, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Historic low notable?

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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/indian-rupee-drops-to-fresh-all-time-low-2013-08-19

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Can the template of most traded currencies removed in Indian rupee article ?

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Since Indian rupee is no longer within the 15 most traded currencies, I hereby removing the "most traded currencies" template. Is it acceptable? As Chinese yuan and Turkish lira replaces Indian rupee as two of the 15 most traded currencies. --MrFawwaz (talk) 12:45, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

@MrFawwaz: Source please! AnupMehra ✈ 13:31, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Is the Kashmiri information incomplete?

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There is information about Kashmiri on the page, but it seems incomplete compared with the other languages. It seems to use Arabic characters (U+0631, U+0648, U+067E, U+06D2) in the Etymology section (which has interesting right-to-left presentation properties when copied and pasted). In the section on Languages, the line for Kashmiri in the table where the denominations are listed appears largely blank for me (using Firefox 28.0 on Mac OS X 10.9.2). I don't know whether this is a browser and R-to-L presentation problem or a data problem. I don't have the expertise to fix the issue(s). Babbling.Brook (talk) 17:11, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

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For those who are repeatedly changing and changing "रुपया" to "रुपये":

You are obviously in India, so I wonder why do you repeatedly change Indian currency name from भारतीय रुपया to भारतीय रुपये. I also wonder why you did not "fix" the Hindi article first. I also wonder why you do not then also "fix" the "US dollar" page to "US dollars", or "Pound sterling" to "Pounds sterling", etc. (Please note I am using a bit of irony.) ॐ शान्तिः नमस्ते —Mykhal (talk) 07:32, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

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