Talk:Immo Appenzeller

Double references

Could someone more experienced than me review this page and tell me whether there is a way to avoid double referencing in the Selected References section? Thanks. Lja2248 (talk) 08:29, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Decent article, and he meets notability guidelines. However, there are not enough independent sources to verify his positions and awards. Someone may remove these as unverified. Please add I dependent sources (not just his CV).

Ldm1954 (talk) 14:06, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

To @Lja2248 and @Ayakanaa, please add additional sources that verify his career, not just a link to his CV. They need to be independent. If you don't do this then the article should be removed as, technically, it makes claims without providing validation. Citations in Wikipedia are more strict in many ways than for journals. Ping me iff you have questions. Ldm1954 (talk) 13:04, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I added 2 independent references for some aspects of Appenzeller's career. I'll keep looking for more.

Lja2248 (talk) 23:33, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately Wikipedia pages are not considered to be reliable sources, and inline links also are not. Please keep going. Ldm1954 (talk) 00:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

This is becoming complicated... Do we agree at least that the International Astronomical Union page is a valid independent source? Lja2248 (talk) 01:34, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

It is valid for his IAU position, but only that. I know this is not simple, but others may be very aggressive. Ldm1954 (talk) 02:26, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Appenzeller's positions at the MPIA are mentioned in Lemke's book on the history of the institute. Would that be a valid reference?

• Dietrich Lemke: Im Himmel über Heidelberg. 40 Jahre Max-Planck-Institut für Astronomie in Heidelberg (1969–2009). Archiv der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft, Berlin 2011, ISBN 978-3-927579-25-5.

Thanks! Lja2248 (talk) 03:49, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

I cannot easily find that book, and it is also probably also in German (which I don't know). You can certainly use that so long as it is not a self-published book. Please include the relevant page number(s), or if you use it more than once use the {{Rp}} template for different pages. Ldm1954 (talk) 20:25, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I added a reference to Lemke's book with page number and a link to its pdf on the MPG archive. Also a reference to the members of the Heidelberg Science Academy. Will that be sufficient for now? Thanks again, I am new to this game...Lja2248 (talk) 22:27, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

That works for some things, but I don't know if it for everything. As one example, you have [1] for Career, but you need to be specific. For instance, does [1] (pages?) indicate that he was a guest professor? Also, if I look at

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?start=10&q=%22I+Appenzeller%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0,14&as_ylo=1969&as_yhi=1971

are any of these his thesis?

The rule is, particularly for bio's. that specific statements need a verifying source after them, or at the end of the paragraph. Maybe you add [1] to the additional paragraphs in Career. Have a look at David J. Lohse, You will see that has cites for almost everything, and some are also marked (by others) as "citation needed". That page is only supposed to be an example. Ldm1954 (talk) 23:23, 8 January 2024 (UTC)