Talk:Immersion Corporation

Biased content

This article reads as if it was written by an Immersion lawyer, to help its pending case against Sony.

"Some of the popular products carrying Immersion technology include the force feedback controllers for Xbox, and most consumer grade force-feedback joysticks."

This company sued Microsoft and everyone with a rumble pack over an old patent, and since Microsoft settled out of court, it's now "Immersion technology", despite then having nothing to do with the development.

There's also a link to "An unofficial but informative site" that is obviously a fake fan site meant to inflate their stock price.

The biased content was removed, and the NPOV tag.

After further investigation, I conclude the biased content was written by an Immersion stockholder named 'Jedi' of http://immersionzone.com and http://www.thornbob.com, who also registered a 'Jedi' Wikipedia account temporarily. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.40.62.243 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't the fact that Immersion is a patent-squatter that didn't actually develop the technology they're suing over (a good example of the absurdity of the US patent system, that you can patent something without inventing it, BTW) be mentioned in the article? 71.236.33.191 12:55, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.40.63.170 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, in order to get a patent in the US, you must be an inventor. Once you get the patent, however, you can transfer ownership to someone else. This is called an "assignment". Most corporations, for example, require their employees to assign patents to the corporation on inventions that they make as part of their employment. The employers also pay the costs of getting the patent.

Inventors can also sell their patents to third parties. A third party that buys the patent then has all of the rights of ownership. This helps create income for inventors that have new ideas, but don't have the resources to commercialize them. It also helps companies that buy patents to protect their investments in commercializing the inventor's original ideas. --Nowa 23:51, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Get off ! Immersion are Patent Trolls. The American Patent system is an absolute joke ! Someone ACTUALLY patented masturbating !!! Another patented BREATHING !! It's ridiculous ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.30.196.54 (talk) 14:38, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

I am jedi

I do not normally respond to trolls but will have to give in this time. First of all I am an Immersion lawyer and thank you for the compliment. Also I am also the author of the Immersionzone” web site.

In fair disclosure I am an investor in Immersion stock and have been since September of 2004. Also I am the author of the above referenced “Thornbob” website, but I made no mention of this site in my original entry, the Sony v. Immersion lawsuit, nor any material whatsoever referenced in the “Thornbob” website. As far as that web site’s content is concerned I will let the court documents it contains speak for themselves.

I first created the Immersion entry on 01/25/2006 after doing some Wikipedia research on Morgan Chu, lead attorney for Immersion in the Sony v. Immersion case. Mr. Chu’s entry referenced Immersion and I noticed that Immersion had no Wikipedia entry. On that date I created the following Wikipedia entry:

Immersion Corporation of San Jose, CA, is a leader in developing, licensing, and marketing digital touch technology and products.

Founded in 1993, Immersion's technology is deployed across automotive, entertainment, medical training, mobility, personal computing, and three-dimensional simulation markets. Immersion's patent portfolio includes over 500 issued or pending patents in the U.S. and other countries.

External Links:

http://www.immersion.com/ - Company Website

http://immersionzone.com/ - An unofficial but informative site supported by Immersion investors

Please note that I made no mention of Sony, Microsoft, Xbox, or the Sony v. Immersion lawsuit. The entries that you find so offending (other than the “Immersionzone” reference) were made by other persons, and I myself would prefer that the lawsuit not be mentioned in the entry. The only other change I made was on 28 January when I added an internal link for “Haptic.” In fact I would say my entry would be far less biased overall than the one you yourself edited. I will concede that I could have been more objective when I referenced “Immersionzone” as “An unofficial but informative site supported by Immersion investors.” A more appropriate entry would have been “An unofficial fan site supported by Immersion investors.” This site is not a fake and has the support of approximately 10% of the shareholders of Immersion (albeight unofficially). It is also my understanding that Immersion management is aware of this web site.

Sadly you also found it necessary to send me the following e-mail:

Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:37:50 -0800

From: "****" <****@gmail.com>

To: ****@thornbob.com

Subject: immersion

i edited your wikipedia article back, you stock manipulating whore

It is clear that it is you not me that has an ax to grind and once again you Sony trolls need to do your homework a little better.

jedi —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jedi767 (talk • contribs) 01:26, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Immersion does not and has not ever produced anything. They draw pictures so that anyone who actually can make a device matching said picture will be sued. They say, “Man it would be cool if you can feel a bullet from a game” with no details other than “There will be a device that does this” in their patents, then sue hard working productive people who actually come up with said hardware independent of the science fiction immersion likes to patent.

The Rumble Patent Date is 1997

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I will make the changes on this page. Infinitys 7th 02:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Both patents are continuation applications of a patent application originally filed in November of 1995. I made the changes.--Nowa 00:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Patent Troll

This article should somehow be linked to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_troll —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.109.195.132 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

done--Nowa 23:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Haptic?

What's wrong with force-feedback? No one knows what haptic is, every one is going to have to click that link. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.146.115.227 (talk) 17:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

Patent trolling v2

I reverted the Aug. 26 edit, which replaced a reference to a news article about patent trolling allegations with a citation-free statement that Immersion "aggressively protects" its IP. Contrary to the summary, this is neither a minor edit nor does it "more accurately [describe] patent protection efforts." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.131.139 (talk) 01:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

“patent troll” label

Hello! Full-disclosure: I’m a Sr. Systems Engineer for Immersion.

Would like to have an open and honest conversation about the “patent troll” label. The way the Wikipedia article is currently phrased is not factually inaccurate. But while we were referred to as a “patent troll” in this article, it does not paint an accurate picture of our litigation efforts or of the company as a whole. For example, many other media outlets covered the Apple filing that day like Recode, Engadget, MacRumors, TechnoBuffalo, Ubergizmo – but very few (I only counted two total) mentioned Immersion as a patent troll in their articles. Simply because we are not one.

We actively license our haptic tech to a variety of companies. As noted in the current entry, we recently announced a partnership with Nintendo. (Source.) We license our tech to OEMs around the globe, including Lenovo, LG, MEIZU just to name a few. We also focus on product development and R&D. We have been working to develop a technology called TouchSense Force which is a tool that enables designers and developers to ad haptics to VR experiences for the Oculus. (Source.) We are also starting to focus more and more on the implementation of haptic technology for mobile ads. (Source) We have a licensing agreement with AdColony (formerly Opera Mediaworks) and have produced ads for brands including Stoli and Lexus. (Source.)

All of which are expected for an engineering-focused, IP-based business. But defending our IP to a reasonable degree unfairly earns the label “patent troll?” Let’s talk! -- Barb.helfer (talk) 18:20, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Sure, let's talk. Your company exists to sue anyone who makes a motor spin an unbalanced weight in response to something. You're everything wrong with the state of the patent system. Why do you even call yourself an engineer? Habanero-tan (talk) 14:50, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

@Habanero-tan: I see you've been part of Wikipedia since 2008. Surely by now, you've heard of WP:AGF. I personally don't know anything about the company beyond what is in this limited article. Perhaps you know more about them, and know whether the allegations have some weight. Even if the allegation is true, that doesn't justify treating a person that way. They opened up the post with full disclosure, and deserve a civil response.

I'll also fully disclose that I didn't come upon this randomly — Wikimedia received an email pointing this issue out and I have to agree that it doesn't reflect well on Wikimedia.--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:34, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Now that they criticise the Wikipedia for the label

Dear fellow Wikipedians, is there a way to sod Immersion Corporation's lawyers off the wiki? I feel like they're only trying to convince us into agreeing with them, especially when they recently sued Valve for Deck's haptic technology?

Let's be real, all they do is just patenting elements that exist merely in theorical sense instead of practical much like Nintendo. They haven't done zilch with their supposed patents they claim they had filed.

American patent system has serious flaws that need to be fixed before too many people would exploit it for money, where the damage would be irreversible. HarlambiDaabrev (talk) 10:33, 21 May 2023 (UTC)