Talk:Imamate of Futa Jallon

Made some modifications to the page particularly with respect to terminology. Would suggest that Fulbe, or preferably Fulɓe, which means Fula people in the Fula language, be used only to describe people, and Fula or Fulani as an adjective. I think usage in English in this regard is evolving, but Fulɓe in Fulfulde/Pulaar not only means people (that is, a plural noun), but can refer more specifically to a subgroup within the larger society. So you have in Fuuta Toro, Haalpulaar'en to describe the cultural group / society in terms of the language they have in common, and in Mali, yimɓe pulaaku to describe people who are not technically Fulɓe, but follow the same culture. In English, use of the established term Fula as an adjective avoids problems of interpretation. Hope this is helpful. --A12n 16:02, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Map

Timbo and the surrounding area in what is now Guinea, West Africa

I think that the map should be revised. Not sure that Dinguiray, which is east of Fouta Djallon proper was ever part of the kingdom. In fact, it seems to be on the map in roughly the area where Timbo is. --A12n 16:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I've found another map which might be of use: http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/ahr/110.4/schmidt.html --Jonesy1289 (talk) 17:20, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree. As the capital of Futa Jallon, Timbo should be marked, not Dinguiray. The potential alternative map linked above is no longer available. --Kampfers (talk) 16:20, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

I uploaded a map of sorts to the right, a blurred crop from an old book, but it does not show the extent of the place or the relative position. I suspect the exact boundaries were never mapped out, but a topographical map of the region with labels for the main places might work. If so, what is needed are stubs with coordinates for Timbo, Timbi, Labè, Koîn, Kolladhè, Fugumba, Kèbaly, Fodé Hadji and Murya, Massi. I could make a start, but is there a good source? Aymatth2 (talk) 01:20, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Name of the state

This article was moved without prior discussion from "Kingdom of Futa Djallon" to "Imamate of Futa Djallon" on 16 February 2013. It probably was not a bad thing, but a fuller discussion on how to handle titles for the Fula states of the period would have been useful first (in general I again request that major edits like this be proposed first). The first problem with either kingdom or imamate is that it applies our categories to political entities that probably did not refer to themselves in those terms (though imamate would be closer to describing its nature than kingdom). The second is that it risks creating an artifact - as if "Imamate of Futa Jallon" was its actual formal title, much as "Republic of Guinea" is for the larger contemporary state. Ways of handling this might include: (1) reference to the terms used by the state in question, with appropriate translation; (2) moving the descriptive term (in this case "imamate") to a parenthetical component of the title; (3) lower casing the term "imamate" (or whatever) in the article text. This is a general concern about articles about states in this region during the period, but I suspect that given the amount written in Pular about this particular state (from the period or afterwards from oral history), there must be some useful indigenous usage to consider for this article.--A12n (talk) 03:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

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