Talk:Igor Sikorsky/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

His birthdate

Re this reversion:

Most sources do indeed say he was born on 25 May 1889. But it seems that that date was in the OS (Julian) calendar, and the NS (Gregorian) equivalent is 6 June 1889. Here are three good sources:

• Большая российская энциклопедия (Great Russian Encyclopedia)
• National Technical University of Ukraine "Igor Sikorsky Kyiv Polytechnic Institute"
• Global Security.org

The Ukrainian and Russian Wikipedias show both dates, as should we. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 22:43, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Are we certain that "May 25" is the OS date and not the NS date? If not, we should leave it as listed in most reliable published sources. - BilCat (talk) 23:00, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

If that were the case, then the OS date would be 13 May 1889. But that's not what these three sources are saying. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:40, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm saying the 3 sources may have mistakenly assumed that May 25 was the OS date, when it was NS instead. - BilCat (talk) 23:43, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

There's always that possibility. But the first source I quote is the Russian equivalent of Encyclopaedia Brittanica, and I doubt they'd have just copied such a detail from elsewhere without subjecting it to a degree of checking. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

It does seem odd that this has never come up before, while the nationality is changed in the article by (mostly) Ukrainian IPs on an almost daily basis. I simply believe we need more research of the reliable sources to make sure we're not perpetuating an error while thinking we're correcting it. - BilCat (talk) 23:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

I looked in his autobiography, The Story of the Winged S. There is a free preview on the Barnes & Noble Ebook website here. It simply states that he was born on May 25, 1889, without specifying which calendar. If nothing else is found, we could add a note that the calendar is unspecified in most reliable sources, while noting that 3 sources specify it's OS. - BilCat (talk) 23:20, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

I've always regarded with a great deal of suspicion any biography of pre-revolutionary Russian-sphere people that states a bald birthdate without saying which calendar it's in. Most decent such books have a note at the front which says either all dates have been converted to NS; or they've been left in their original OS style, leaving the reader to work out the NS equivalent if they wish. Maybe this book has such a note; maybe not. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:46, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Sikorsky lived in the US for a long time, so I'm assuming he understood the different date systems, and he wrote the book. My point is if the majority of reliable sources don't specify the system, we shouldn't either, but we can note there is a discrepancy as a footnote. BilCat (talk) 23:53, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Lets get this clear - neutral summary

Person A was born in a region B of country C. Country C later dissolved and B became a new country D. A then moved to country E.

Is there a consensus on how to describe the nationality of person A? If not then there really needs to be one to prevent edit wars. It is such a contentions area and it clearly needs a well decided consensus. Mtpaley (talk) 23:27, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia reports what reliable sources say. We've made it clear he was born in the Russian Empire, for which the demonym is Russian. Reliable sources, including autobiographical, also state his ethnic background was Russian. We leave it at that. - BilCat (talk) 23:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

What's a F.A.I. license?

The lead section mentions that he was awarded F.A.I license 64. While from context I'd assume it was a Russian aviation agency, I've never heard of the F.A.I. and googling seems to just return this article. Don't want to just edit it out since it's out of the primary source but this seems sort of confusing and maybe not all that notable to be in the article lead. Would love if someone could shed some light on this, thanks. Aarond44 (talk) 20:13, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I assumed it had something to do with the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale issuing pilot licenses in the early days of aviation. Beyond that I don't know. - BilCat (talk) 22:10, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Fix dead links to US Patents

Please fix the dead links to Direct Lift Aircraft US Patents. Reference #42 [1] and #43 [2] Tomticker5 (talk) 13:13, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2020

Need to add a number of aircraft to the ones listed. There are several missing that are significant.

S-31 located at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-31 S-32 located at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-32 S-33 located at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-33_Messenger S-34 located at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-34 S-35 located at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-35 S-36 located at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-36 S-37 located at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-37 S-39 located at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-39 S-40 located at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_S-40

The S-35 and S-40 are particularly significant aircraft. Thanks for adding these to the list. Sharksradio (talk) 22:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

You seem to be referring to the section named "List of aircraft designed by Sikorsky". The aircraft listed there are ones in which he was the primary designer. Reliable source(s) are needed to support adding others to the list. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:07, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2021

Liubko234 (talk) 17:32, 11 December 2021 (UTC) 

Igor Sikorsky was Ukrainian, not Russian

Ukrainian air constructor Liubko234 (talk) 17:32, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. See above discussions, would clearly be a contentious edit and therefore outside the scope of a edit request Cannolis (talk) 17:49, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2022

Hi there. Sikorsky was an Ukrainan nationality. He was born in Kyiv, Ukraine. In family with Ukrainian roots. Igor Sikorsky wrote in a letter, in English, dated August 30, 1933 to Vasyl Halych:

"My family, who come from a village in the Kyiv region where my grandfather and great-grandfather were priests, is of purely Ukrainian origin. However, we consider ourselves Russians because it was part of Russia and the Ukrainian people were an integrated part of Russia, just as Texas or Louisiana is an integrated part of the United States."

Here you can find all proof links: https://uk.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%96%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%86%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80_%D0%86%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 195.34.207.190 (talk) 10:05, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. See above discussions Cannolis (talk) 10:46, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

He was a Ukrainian, because he was born in Kyiv Ukraine

He was a Ukrainian, because he was born in Kyiv Ukraine Theman151618 (talk) 11:51, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Please see the numerous discussions above and in the archives.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 15:17, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

And consensus is that he was Ukrainian per ethnic roots and per own admission, also was born in Ukrainian city. To sum up - he was Ukrainian. MaysterMind (talk) 10:15, 13 May 2022 (UTC)