Talk:Ichthyotitan

why is this animal so fat

also is there an article for obesity in animals like turtles can turtles become obese? 1204753792 edits (talk) 01:04, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Not animals generally, no. You are welcome to create it - I'm sure there is literature on it - we currently have an article for obesity in pets, but that does not mention turtles. Also this creature is likely large as a result of adaptations for its environment, not as the result of any medical condition. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 15:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

The authors did not venture into a weight estimate. However, in 2021 for a 21 metre long Shonisaurus a mass was estimated of 81 tonnes. Some remains of giant ichthyosaurs indicated a length of thirty metres. That would implicate an astounding 250 tonnes, even without assuming special fat layers. Gregory S. Paul considered these to be vast overestimations. He claimed that a correct stronger curvature of the vertebral column would have reduced length. Correctly slanting the ribs would have lowered the depth of the trunk. He estimated the weight of Shonisaurus at just sixteen tonnes. Applying this line of thought, Ichthyotitan might be twenty metres long and thirty to fifty tonnes heavy.--MWAK (talk) 08:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Both GSP's and that 2021 estimate for Shonisaurus (Shastasaurus sikanniensis) are very incorrect. The 81t mass comes from scaling S. sikanniensis to 21m with Shonisaurus popularis proportions. It's a much bulkier animal than Shastasaurus at the same length, and scaling from other Shastasaurus species gives a more conservative 39-45t.

GSP's 16t estimate is pretty baseless and thus not very reliable for the time being. Ashe VSM (my talk page) 19:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I did not find an article about obesity in animals such as turtles. I am sure it could be a fascinating article and hope you are able to source enough informaiton to submit an article. To get you started, here is an article I found: "Body condition scoring and obesity in captive african side-neck turtles (Pelomedusidae)* "Ann. Anim. Sci., Vol. 14, No. 3 (2014) 573–584, DOI: 10.2478/aoas-2014-0037. Good luck to you! Jurisdicta (talk) 16:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

bro brought references to the talk page LegalSmeagolian (talk) 01:11, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Any classification section ?

Usually when a new species of prehistoric animal (and even more of this kind) is immediately described, there is already a "classification" section, sometimes even accompanied by a cladogram. So, I ask that someone with at least some experience can develop this section about the phylogenetic place of Ichthyotitan. Amirani1746 (talk) 09:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

It is believed to be a shastasaurid, but, due to the extremely fragmentary nature of the remain, there hasn't been a more specific phylogenetic classification. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 09:54, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

The classification beyond Shastasauridae is unknown and impossible to determine without further remains, as all current Ichthyotitan specimens are only surangulars. Ashe VSM (my talk page) 19:37, 10 May 2024 (UTC)