Talk:I Should Coco/Archive 1

Archive 1

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I haven't started on the prose yet, but here are a few things that I've noticed so far:

• Several of the reference links are anchored to specific places on the source page - Great!
• Two sources, #4 and #9, I didn't see the connection to the cited information. I'll try a closer read.
• We really need a source for that fact about the vinyl-only US release. I'll look around.

I found one. --TwentiethApril1986 21:10, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

• Love the music samples on the page.
• Ref #20. I can't check it, and the quote, as presented here, is a bit off. Seems like there's at least one missing word ("There's nothing contrived IN 'I Should Coco'). Would it be possible to check this quote for accuracy?

Which number is that now? I've added a few more refs since that.. --TwentiethApril1986 21:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

It's now Ref #25. --AnnaFrance (talk) 02:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I think WesleyDodds has fixed the quote. --TwentiethApril1986 12:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

• The link part of Ref #21 is a 404.

Again... Same as above. --TwentiethApril1986 23:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

And this one is Ref #26. --AnnaFrance (talk) 02:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I shall try and find replacement link. --TwentiethApril1986 12:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

It seems that all the artist pages at nudeasthenews.com are not working. I'll wait and see if the problem gets fixed. --TwentiethApril1986 12:53, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

• The Mercury Prize nomination is mentioned twice, sourced both times, to 2 different sources. I think you should pick one and use it twice.
• WP:MOS says to avoid text sandwiched between pictures, which happens with the opening text box and the back cover pic. It occurred to me that if we switched the Artwork section and the Recording and production section it would probably fix the problem. Does that sound OK?

I've done that now. I think it looks better. --TwentiethApril1986 20:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

• Article is wikified fabulously.
• WP:MOS states that the lead section is supposed to be a summary, no unique information (like a tiny version of the article). There are several parts here that do not appear later: Backbeat Records, influenced by Blur and Oasis, etc.

I have expanded the 'Influences' and 'Recording and production' sections to include Backbeat Records and Blur and Oasis. --TwentiethApril1986 19:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

• In particular, the lead paragraph says that Supergrass "went on to have lasting success". That definitely needs to be developed in the article. Or removed.
• Could we get 1 or 2 music videos, from YouTube or elsewhere, in the External links section?

I'll get one from their official YT page so it wont effect copyright. --TwentiethApril1986 19:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

 Done --TwentiethApril1986 19:59, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Whew! Didn't plan to go on like that. I'll start taking a look at the prose now. Cheers. --AnnaFrance (talk) 18:13, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

New It's getting a little chaotic trying to clean up text that is still being created. Shall I wait a day or two for the article to settle down? --AnnaFrance (talk) 20:26, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Lead section

I just want to know does the lead section "summarize the topic by touching on all of the various sections within the article." ? I want to get it pretty much perfect before nominating for GA.

Thanks TwentiethApril1986 17:12, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

It says the lead section should be an "overview" and should "summarize the most important points". That's as specific as it gets. Since this is a summary, and I see you're still adding things here and there, I'm holding off on editing the lead section. I'll do that last. --AnnaFrance (talk) 19:20, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Recording and production

The chronology of the Backstreet and Parlophone deals was unclear. If my rearrangement implies something that isn't accurate, please let me know—I'll correct it. As stated in the edit summary, I'm definitely not done with this section.

Also, there's a quote here that sounds strange: "I remember everybody got in the live room". That can't be right, can it?

--AnnaFrance (talk) 20:26, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

The quote is correct. You know a live room in a recording studio? That's what he's saying. --TwentiethApril1986 21:31, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

The part about the chronology of the Backstreet and Parlophone deals are accurate. Thanks. --TwentiethApril1986 21:33, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

New Another question about the quote. There are 3 sentences here from Gaz Coombes. For formatting, we need to know how they occurred in the source material. Since they are quoted separately in the article ("Quote." "Quote." "Quote."), I assume the 3 sentences are separate in the source—there is intervening material. Is that correct? --AnnaFrance (talk) 14:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

The quotes are from the Supergrass Is 10 album booklet. Gaz wrote a bit on the I Should Coco page and I just took 3 sentences from that so it wasn't too long in the article.. It wasn't an interview. --TwentiethApril1986 (talk) 14:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Were the quotes given separately, with other material in between, or were they back-to-back? --AnnaFrance (talk) 21:55, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

The full quote given was: We did six tracks in ten days with Sam in February 94, then after Parlophone sighned us in the spring, we were given enough cash to finish the record. One of the highlights of this album was recording 'Sofa of my lethargy'. There weren't really any overdubs on this track. I remember everybody got in the live room and had an instrument, including Sam on bass, a friend of his on hammond organ and we played the rest, all live, one take. It was such a quick way to record. We made I Should Coco so fast because we wanted to catch the energy and excitement of the songs on tape, and do it before the money ran out!

The parts in bold are what I added to the article. --TwentiethApril1986 (talk) 22:32, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Quotes

Are there any guidelines about adding quotes and how many you can add to an article? --TwentiethApril1986 (talk) 17:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

{{Quote}} is a good place to start and links to various styles of quotation; style guidelines are here. For short quotes, I tend to use inlines as - he said "it was a hell of a time"<ref> source </ref>, and one of the templates for lengthier ones. I don't think there's any practical limit but style implies they should be relevant and not overload the article, since they break the flow somewhat. --Rodhullandemu 18:00, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

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I had some time today, so I went through the prose sections and generally got the grammar working, and hope I caught most of the formatting. I'll pick up the whole article tomorrow and give it a run-through top-to-bottom make sure everything hangs together, no nasty repetitions, etc. --AnnaFrance (talk) 20:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

OK I caught a few more things, but I think the article is looking pretty good. I will certainly hang around to take care of any structural or prose issues from the next peer review or GAC review. --AnnaFrance (talk) 14:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your work. Much appreciated. --TwentiethApril1986 (talk) 14:52, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

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Start class: Y A reasonably complete infobox Y A lead section giving an overview of the album Y A track listing Y Reference to at least primary personnel by name (must specify performers on the current album; a band navbox is insufficient) Y Categorisation at least by artist and year C class: Y All the start class criteria Y A reasonably complete infobox, including cover art Y At least one section of prose (in addition to the lead section) Y A track listing containing track lengths and authors for all songs Y A "personnel" section listing performers, including guest musicians. B class: Y All the C class criteria Y A completed infobox, including cover art and most technical details Y A full list of personnel, including technical personnel and guest musicians N No obvious issues with sourcing, including the use of blatantly improper sources. Y No significant issues exist to hamper readability, although it may not rigorously follow WP:MOS There are some issue with sourcing here. Some reviews in the infobox don't have any links to them, there are some other sentances which could use a cleaning up but that can be saved after a Peer Review and a GA nom. Fix the review links at least and this is a safe B article. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:37, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

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