Talk:Hyperplagiodontia

Requested move 14 September 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Previous decision
result: No consensus. See below no good rebuttals to the opposition rationale. As is usual with a no-consensus outcome, arguments can be strengthened, new arguments can be found, and editors can try again in a few months to garner consensus for this new name. (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 09:29, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Wide-toothed hutia → Hyperplagiodontia – per multiple project guidelines (extinct, monotypic, rarely used vernacular etc.) this should be at the genus name Hyperplagiodontia Kevmin § 19:20, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Oppose: "Wide-toothed hutia" is used in several sources relating to the species, including ASM [1], Catalogue of Life [2], Idaho governmental website [3], Mammal Species of the World [4], ITIS [5], GBIF [6], etc. I don't think I need to provide anymore evidence. Keep as is. J0ngM0ng (talk) 23:08, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

That is not many sources, and google.scholar shows no instances of "Wide-toothed hutia" being used as a species name, compared to 13 for Hyperplagiodontia. Made up "vernacular names" that are not actually used often do not automatically supersede the most commonly used names, in this case 'Hyperplagiodontia.--Kevmin § 23:14, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Google scholar lists 80 results for "wide toothed hutia". I think you inputted it wrong. And while it isn't many sources, they are pretty notable taxonomic websites which are all reliable. Quality over quantity. J0ngM0ng (talk) 23:23, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

• While I did get 80 results on google scholar for "wide toothed hutia", all of those hits were for papers that contained wide, toothed, and hutia in them.... but not as a name of anything. Support move, as the vernacular name is not the common name (or, in fact, ever used in scientific literature). --SilverTiger12 (talk) 12:56, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
  • So the links I provided above are not considered scientific literature? Interesting. J0ngM0ng (talk) 13:05, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

The links you provided run the spectrum of scientific to lay media and most are just copy/pastes of each other (why Idaho would even have/need a page for an extinct Caribbean species...) The ACTUAL researchers who study the field do not use the purported vernacular, as noted by @SilverTiger12:.--Kevmin § 21:00, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

• • • • I'm not questioning why the sources exist, just that they do. And are they copy/pastes or do they all simply use the same vernacular name? Think about it. J0ngM0ng (talk) 23:17, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Why do yo assume we have not thought about it?--Kevmin § 15:58, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Not assuming, just saying to consider any possibility. J0ngM0ng (talk) 17:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

We have, and we go with what the researchers how study the taxa use, not a fabricated pseudo vernacular name created for a compilation list.--Kevmin § 17:58, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Right well, it's not psuedo vernacular if those scientific sources use it. Also not sure what "complilation list" you speak of. J0ngM0ng (talk) 22:15, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

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