Talk:Humber Super Snipe

Series III or IV

I reverted this edit on the basis that, without some cited evidence, it's a difference of opinion. Who knows? Can anyone help with some documentation, please? Cheers Bjenks (talk) 13:20, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Series I or II

Hi just wanted to add my opinion that the 1959 pic of the series one snipe is actually an s2 . S1 snipes have wipers like folded arms that travel from rest to opposite A pillars whereas s2 snipes have more conventional wipers from park to the drivers a pillar and back . Regards d — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.149.210.197 (talk) 13:39, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Hah! You know too much! It is very Very difficult to find a useful picture of those cars that is also available to be uploaded on the terms we have to work under. I was delighted to find it and displayed it with joy. And now . . . Maybe they were early production cars and that is just a late production model. I was annoyed that it is totally unregistered (if it has the correct licence plates on it) and there is no record in the DVLA online database - though I've been told if you make the right kind of spelling mistake or typo you will often find these mysteries are no more than made like that.

An easy solution is for us both to go find photos of an Undoubtedly Mark I version and study its wipers with care. See you back here, shortly. Eddaido (talk) 13:59, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

S1

S2

I hope it doesn't add to confusion if I make the obvious point that the difference between the "clap hands" (don't have a better adjective) wipers of the Series 1 and the parallel wipers of the Series 2 are already illustrated for the benefit of wiki readers regarding the the Humber Hawk. Assuming the Super Snipe made the same "windscreen wiper transition" between S1 and S2, then I guess we just need to keep on looking out looking for an S1 Super Snipe to photograph.

They seem to be seriously rarer than the latest ones, though. And of course it's only an assumption that Bill Rootes wasn't emptying the parts bins for his Series 1 production lines even after the Series 2 series had been launched, or vice versa - experimenting with the new configuration for the Super Snipe before the announcement of the series 2. "Cut-off" between versions wasn't always as precise as we might think, if my half remembered auditor tales from stock-takes are to be believed. Which could be one explanation for the discrepancy noticed with the car at the National heritage motor museum in Warwickshire - labeled as an S1 but already using the S2 wiper configuration.

The "clap hands" wipers had the advantage that you didn't have to change their direction and mounting points for cars exported to lhd markets. Tho not all exporters bothered anyway, and I guess Rootes were always more lukewarm than some about exporting beyond the British empire where drivers tended to sit on the right side of the car all round the globe (except ... um ... in Canada).

Just msuings, you understand. Regards Charles01 (talk) 14:21, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

They are always useful. I say the picture in question is of a series one because:

• that's what it says on the noticeboard behind it and I checked and found these differences from series II
• nasty pointy "hood ornament" even if it does have a rubber "beak" (Snipe)
• A real badge above the grille showing HUMBER on a red enamelled back ground
• no jazzy contrasting stripe down the sides but a nice split between colours as on a Sunbeam Rapier (and Humber Hawk)

whereas

• the series II cars have a different less pointy thing
• they have HUMBER in large chromium plated letters across above the grille in case anyone thought it was a shy Chev
• They have four pre-drilled holes of wipers so they can switch from clap to march . (or fit that exotic accessory Washers optional at extra cost? at the dealers)

Clap hands

[1]

[2]

[3]

[4]

Maybe the car in the photo in question is late production, came with the four holes / screen washers and someone took away clap and made it march? Seriously though I do remember Humbers when aging were inclined to lose a wiper around the corner (as it were) where it would flap helplessly until temporary weather protection might be found failing a passenger to wind down their window and fetch it back.

Did Hawk and Snipe mods move together or in alternate years? Incidentally Hawks didn't ever get the big HUMBER across the front but kept the enamelled badges.

What does the panel of experts think now? Best regards, Eddaido (talk) 09:43, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

(1) Your researches are persuasive, (2) the English National Heritage Museum example appears to be atypical, confirming my impression (also observable with Hillman Minxes) that Rootes were more than capable of implementing the changes little by little without waiting for a "new" series or mark to do it and (3) most encouraging of all, there do still appear to be a few S1 Super Snipes around - complete with clap-hands wipers - both in England and in Oz. Regards Charles01 (talk) 10:11, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

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