Talk:Humanitarian response by national governments to the 2010 Haiti earthquake

Timeline

fabulous article, wiki at its best Can we add a sectin that shows a timeline , eg something along the lines of 0 Hours Quake strikes 4 PM 12 Jan 2010 local time - 0-24 hours 24-36 hours 37 man search and rescue team, with all supplies to be self sufficient, lands in Port au Prince 75.67.134.245 (talk) 18:22, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Another article?

Was splitting this off from the Humanitarian response to the 2010 Haiti earthquake really necessary? With making more and more articles all we are doing is making the reader have to click and navigate more.

Also, I think the map holds no value. There aren't any countries who have openly refused to give aid, it's just that we haven't heard from them. So this map seems like it's unfairly distinguishing between "pro-Haiti" and "anti-Haiti" countries. And it doesn't really tell the reader anything that he doesn't already know, the list of donating countries is just to the right of the map in the contents box. --Tocino 19:07, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually there are countries that refused to give aid - [1]: Belarus will not send humanitarian aid to Haiti...Belarus did not consider a joint humanitarian effort together with Russia either.. But it's not the point, the map is there to show which countries donated in a quick glimpse without having to read the whole article. The one thing about the map though is that it shows various pledged donations which could be a publicity stunt in some countries as those donations were never registered by the UN that is taking note of each donation, promised or paid.--Avala (talk) 14:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

But the map doesn't say how much each country donated, which is what this article is really about. It just says whether they donated at all, so the reader can't really just take a glimpse at the map to fully understand the contents of the article. And if the reader just wants a quick glimpse, without knowing what the countries are actually sending, then he can look at the contents box just to the right of the huge map. And the map's placement is also wrong. It shouldn't be the first thing on the article, even before the introductionary paragraph. --Tocino 23:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Concerning the map, people are free to interpret the contents as they wish. It's just a map showing who has donated and who hasn't thus far. If people wish to interpret the gray regions as countries who will never donate, ever, that is their prerogative. If they choose to interpret these gray regions as countries who might potentially donate at some future time but have not indicated their plans, that is also their prerogative. But you cannot draw a conclusion on how everyone will use this map based on *your* own interpretation. Also, in theory, you are right that it contains no new information, but it is nice to be able to have a pictorial summary of governmental donations rather than having to peruse a text-based list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.234.128.5 (talk) 19:57, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Let's get it right. Monaco was omitted. Fixed. At least Finland was included. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 22:30, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

A new article was necessary because large article sizes are necessary in those cases where single sections comprise a bulk of the material and debilitate gathering of information outside the scope of the largest section. Hence, if people want to know about the growing numbers of NGOs, for-profits and national governments contributing aid, then separate articles can provide pertinent indexes of such specific and detailed information, not a single big article. Thanks. --Toussaint (talk) 09:03, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Reports of doctors pulling out?

CNN has reported that medical teams have been pulling out. See: Humanitarian_response_by_national_governments_to_the_2010_Haiti_earthquake#.C2.A0Belgium. I believe some clarification would be helpful Ottawahitech (talk) 16:19, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Does that really belong in this article? It looks like an isolated incident where conditions were too dangerous for the team to remain in place overnight without security forces. Seeing as they returned in the morning, it doesn't seem like they were pulling out entirely, and I don't think that this has a place under the description of Belgium's humanitarian response. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.117.25.44 (talk) 17:04, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Latvia's help

The article regarding Latvia's aid for Haiti is supposed tohumourous. Has anyone botherd to read the whole article? Latvia Sends Foreign Aid to Haiti

Latvia's help

The article regarding Latvia's aid for Haiti is supposed tohumourous. Has anyone botherd to read the whole article? Latvia Sends Foreign Aid to Haiti --85.120.255.114 (talk) 07:57, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

What are you trying to say ?It is correctly sourced. (albeit one that wont let you see it unless you pay.....and i never heard of it...still,a source is a source [unless its a blog,which doesnt qualify]) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.59.199.184 (talk) 04:17, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Humanitarian assistance of Italy is second only to the United States.

Humanitarian assistance of Italy is second only to the United States. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.15.194.19 (talk) 12:41, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

How is it more than what Canada sent? 99.225.146.192 (talk) 22:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Italy has sent two military planes and immediately sent funds for millions of euros. Subsequently Italy sent an aircraft carrier with nearly 1000 military specialists, but also doctors and nurses, military vehicles, helicopters, bulldozers, food etc.. Inside the aircraft carrier there are 2 hospitals, intensive care rooms, operating rooms, CT scans etc.. It was also canceled the debt of over 40 million dollars. In Italy we are collecting a lot of private donations and many associations have already left for Haiti with food, medicine and personnel. Will be sent another 200 military policemen to ensure security. Sorry for my bad English. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.5.198.214 (talk) 04:00, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

What is your point? This is not some kind of competition. NorthernThunder (talk) 17:37, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Armenia donation to the Haiti relief fund

In order to increase the article check the information at: http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=41901 --Sarkoulik (talk) 13:39, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Iran Government?

Wasn't it the Iranian Red Crescent that sent the donations? Where they funded by the Iranian government? If not, then I don't think this is the right page for that donation

Addition of Saudi Arabia section

From www.alarabiya.net, the headline says that Saudi Arabia has donated $50M to aid Haiti. The link is in Arabic but the article's translation is as follows:

A spokesperson for Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs has announced on Monday January 25 that the Kingdom has donated fifty million dollars in aid for Haiti after the devastating earthquake that occurred on Jan 12 and expected to have caused 150,000 fatalities.

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2010/01/25/98347.html (Arabic)

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alarabiya.net%2Farticles%2F2010%2F01%2F25%2F98347.html&sl=ar&tl=en (Translated)

I couldn't find an English source as of yet but this is official wording from the government. --138.67.158.133 (talk) 13:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Flag icons

I understand—and agree with—the use of national flags to help identify specific countries in a long list, but the use of subnational flags and even city flags on this article is irrelevant and inappropriate. This article is not a guide to world vexillology. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs)

• Agreed. If there is a consensus, someone should remove the subnational flags. NorthernThunder (talk) 17:38, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

  We already have a consensus position at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (icons)#Do not use subnational flags without direct relevance. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 18:11, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

  I disagree. Many entities under national contributions, such as British and Dutch overseas territories such as Bermuda and Aruba and American commonwealths such as Puerto Rico are not integral parts of the countries they are listed under. They have autonomy and are recognized by many international organizations such as the IOC as separate entities with their own national identity yet under the rule of another nation. I find it offensive that the contributions of these territories be lumped into one when they don't have certain rights as those living in their governing countries. Keep article as is.--XLR8TION (talk) 19:36, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

  How does the removal of some flag icons constitute "lumping" contributions together? The article can still have sub-headings at lower levels, with proper sub-section headers. But let's say that we keep the flag icons for overseas territories. That still leaves icons for states/provinces/regions/etc., and even worse, flags for individual towns and cities! — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:49, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

  Andrwsc, there are many ignorant people out there that don't release that insular areas of the U.S., U.K., and the Netherlands are NOT incorporated territories of those countries. Such cases as Balzac v. Porto Rico validate this. It is important to recognize this as although they fall under the jurisdiction of the colonizing power, they do not share the same level of citizenship or rights as their counterparts in the USA or Europe.--XLR8TION (talk) 22:03, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

  But Humanitarian response by national governments to the 2010 Haiti earthquake isn't the article to teach them that. Articles such as British overseas territories, Territories of the United States, etc. (all linked from the overview at Dependent territory) serve that purpose. But that is a tangential point; how are tiny 22 pixel flag icons for cities, towns, states, provinces and regions useful for this article? They are not, and that's why I removed them. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 22:19, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

• I notice that alot of the city/state flags are still here as of 2012, Unless anyone has any objections then starting in a few days time I will begin to remove them. I will leave national flags and overseas territory flags as well as country flags IE Wales and Scotland but i will delete state/province flags like Alabama or Ontario for example.SamC1404 (talk) 13:33, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

  As of 2019, there were major changes in the article and the flags were completely removed. I think it's good to point that out here and maybe re-add them back Bly000 (talk) 22:29, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

France & Italy - Spain, Holland, Brazil, Cuba

If Operation Unified Response is US and Operation Hestia is Canada, what's France's military operation? Or Italy's?

70.29.210.242 (talk) 07:44, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

• Opération Séisme Haiti 2010 for France.Swensink (talk) 22:27, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Operation White Crane for Italy

So... what of Spain, the Netherlands or Brazil? Or Cuba?

70.29.210.242 (talk) 06:11, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

more aid stuff

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2010/01/201013195514870782.html

has some unlisted responses. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 11:09, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Israel

The section about Israel also has information that is concerning not for profit organizations, I will remove these paragraphs as they are not fit for this article. Busha5a5a5 (talk) 01:19, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Map Update

The map needs to be updated to show Mali and the Gambia have contributed to relief efforts.--XLR8TION (talk) 00:01, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Afghanistan, etc. you cant have a wrong map that discredits the facts. thus i have removed it till a new one is upLihaas (talk) 11:30, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

National Response

We need a piece in the Americas section about the Hatian governments own efforts (IE the peacekeeping work done by the Haitian National Police, the triage center and efforts of local hospitals, and the fact that many of the rescue operations were carried out by the Haitians themselves).--RM (Be my friend) 00:19, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Table format

Was thinking of converting into a table format, for grouping and sorting ability... or maybe a secondary article? seems like keeping data synced between two would be difficult, but maybe not --Enorl76 (talk) 03:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Page is to large

The page is too large, maybe its a good idea, to remove the flags ? --Ahmetyal 13:32, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

• It's not a good idea that you made such a change without generating a conversation on this topic. I have reverted the unconstructive edit you have made. There are many article on this site that are big, doesn't mean that they have to be changed overnight. A general consensus with at least five to six editors who have worked on this article should be made before any cosmetic changes are made. Otherwise, leave it alone.--XLR8TION (talk) 10:40, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

The flags are awful and overly self-congratulatory over something that may not have arrived anyway (see lead for specifics)! Probably WP:PEACOCK which is against Wikipedia policy. Anyone who deleted them should be congratulated IMO!

More to the point, it is a list and therefore unreadable. Rather useless article IMO. Student7 (talk) 15:16, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Removing the flags will ultimately reduce the chance of it being nominated for the Good Article award. Also, there are pretty few images to the page, so chances for it to have the Good Article award, is slim to none. JMBZ-12 (talk) 16:23, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Flags help? Another good reason to avoid trying for GA. Student7 (talk) 18:01, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Too large (cont)

The title is ""..national governments..." But the article contains a lot of information about local counties, provinces, "regions," cities, boy scout troops....
All the non-federal, non-national aid should be deleted IMO. Or retitle the article "Humanitarian response by just about anybody...." Student7 (talk) 17:23, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

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