Talk:Hula hoop

No mention of Joan Anderson

There is no mention of Joan Anderson, who claims to have brought the idea from Astralia in 1958. Because of the dates, it is possible this is predated by Alex Tolmer's discussions with representatives of Wham-O. The story of Joan Anderson, the hula hoop, and her lawsuit against Wham-O are discussed in the short film Who Invented the Hula Hoop: Joan Anderson Did.

I bring this up so those with more background can decide whether or not to add something to the article. Pleae let me know if there is anything I can do to help. Todd (talk) 23:11, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

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Female superiority?

Is there any truth to the theory that women are better hoopers due to having hips? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.65.35.254 (talk • contribs) 3:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

All normally constructed humans have hips. And what do you mean by better? Doctormatt 00:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

For the sake of argument, let's propose that the anon means to say that in competitive hooping, the question arises whether or not adult female humans may have an advantage over males due to the broad size of their hips (in many cases but not all, putting exceptions aside) thus being able to keep a hoop in movement more easily and for longer periods of time around their waist (as opposed to other parts of the body that may and are often used). The anon's question seems to be more about the physics of hooping than about the physiology of the female body. —Viriditas | Talk 03:24, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

By "broad size of their hips" I assume you mean relative to their waists, yes? For simply being large would not particularly be advantageous. Although I have not observed competitive hula hooping, my impression of hula hoopers generally is that keeping the hoop going is not really an issue. All good hoopers can keep their hoops going, essentially, indefinitely. However, in niche competitions, say, where the contest is to spin as many hoops as possible simultaneously, the shape of ones body may perhaps give one advantages.Doctormatt 04:46, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the answer is most likely no, it is not an advantage. Keeping the hoop up has little or nothing to do with the curve in your hip. I think that is the default position more because its easier to get your muscles coordinated to the rhythm there. Hula hoopers rarely actually have the hoop in that postion anyways. Its usually somewhere a bit more interesting, and only on the waist in passing. The only significant difference between girls and guys that I've seen is that some basic tricks are actually more difficult for girls because of their breasts (its harder for some girls than others, but I know one girl who was initially having trouble getting the hoop to travel from her hips to her neck because of her large breasts.) Girls have one advantage when learning--they are usually more comfortable with the kind of body movements that you make when hooping. Some guys are initially more self-concious than most girls because hooping is associated with femninity. Some of the best hula hoopers I've seen is actually are guys. these two guys for example, and as you can see the dark haired one has very small hips.

Hips might actually make it a tad bit harder to get it to travel from your thighs to back over your hips too. But I don't think it makes too much of a difference. In my experience guys who take the time to try have no more trouble than girls learning (and like I said before, when learning to get it to travel to your shoulders and neck actually have an advantage over some girls)Brentt 10:02, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Physics

The physics of hooping could also be mentioned in the article (relating it to the concept of angular momentum etc. Richard001 06:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

A friend of mine posted this excerpt from a book on her blog a while ago. Its the only thing related to the physics of hooping I've seen. Not much formulae, and I'm not sure how accurate it is. It seems right on first glance, but I'm not a physicist.:

"Hula hooping" is a complex skill in which an unstable object, a hoop, is kept in steady oscillation parallel with the ground plane by means of coordinate oscillations of the body. The physical basis of the skill is the conservation of angular momentum. In manipulating the hoop, the performer exerts small but carefully regulated impulses (where impusle equals force x time) by allowing the body to impinge on a small portion of the interior periphery of a short section of the hoop. ---excerpt from Balasubramanium and Turvey (2004) Biological Ckybernetics 90, 176-190.

Ideally it should be reference so as not to be OR. I'm sure somebody's done a undergrad thesis on the subject, but a in depth published despcription might be hard to come by. But looking at that quote there it might just be an excerpt of a longer passage. I'll ask my friend and tell you if it would be worth finding the book if your interested in doing that (I'm far to lazy). Brentt 11:05, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Hudsucker Proxy?

I'm surprised there's no reference to the movie The Hudsucker Proxy - anyone mind if I add a bit to trivia? Pjc51 07:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Please do. After watching the film I came here to see if the Hula Hoop really was invented by the fictitious Hudsucker president, Barnes. I was surprised to find no mention of the film anywhere on the page.--Chris (talk) 14:38, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Stacey Laliberte

The third image, with the caption "Stacey Laliberte", who is Stacey? Is she a famous performer, or just someone that was posing for the photo? If she is "just someone" her name should not be there JayKeaton 11:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

As of this morning, Viriditas removed the name. If someone can provide notability it can be added back in, but for now, the problem has been solved. PaladinWhite 16:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

unclear what "today" means

In the "Today" section I read: "The past few years have seen the re-emergence of hula hooping." But there is nothing to which to relate either "today" or "the past few years" to. Can somebody knowledgeable please add a date, for orientation purposes? In 20 years..... Thanks --Martha (talk) 04:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Good observation and I'll try to help out. —Viriditas | Talk 05:45, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Rock n Roll Circus, based in Brisbane, Australia, travelled to China in 1992 to train at Shang Hai Circus, and Kareena Oates came back with the first skilled hoop act in Contemporary Circus, inspiring Australian Performers. Suzy Leigh was the first Street Performer in the world to feature hula hooping in her act, and appeared on national TV in Australia in 1996. She had toured throughout Europe, UK, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, Argentina, and the South Pacific performing in Festivals and Cabarets, inspiring and teaching hoops to other inspired performers and in Circus schools since 1993. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whirled First 1 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

100 millions hula hoops after 1958...

• in two years? En:wiki: After the hoop was released in 1958, Wham-O sold over 100 million in two years.
• in half year? Houston Business Journal: Wham-O sold more than 100 million Hula Hoops in the recreational product's first six months on the market.

Julo (talk) 21:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Removed bogus claim

I'm pretty sure this is wrong:

The word "hula" was added in the early 18th century as sailors who visited Hawaii noticed the similarity between hula dancing and tripping hoops.

The word "hula" may have entered English at that time, but the earliest OED citation for "hula hoop" is 1958, in the context of the Wham-O product. Mark Foskey (talk) 04:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

World record

The article says the world record is 105 set in 2007, but didn't I just watch her twirl 280 on Wetten Dass? I don't know what the qualifications for "World record" is... David Souther (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Never mind; the rules are "between the hips and waist". Maybe that should be clarified? David Souther (talk) 21:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Relation to Ooola Oop?

If the term "hula hoop" dates to 1958 (confirmed at Online etymology), then what of Alley Oop's girlfriend Ooola? The name "Ooola" appeared in the strip in the mid 1930s. Was the toy named after the cavegirl or is it just a coincidence?  Randall Bart   Talk  00:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

• Im pretty sure its just a coincedence, as well, you control it by moving your body like a hula dancer, and it is a circle round the waist, just like a hoop from a barrel goes round a barrel, hence the name, hula hoop. --86.158.17.143 (talk) 15:07, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Shoop-Shoop Hula Hoop

Apparently these were marketed much later by Wham-o to add noise to the fun. Someone want to make a section on it? http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,899852,00.html

Contributions

Brainstorm/Ideas to the topic:

• Provide background history.
• Discuss its different purposes.
• Introduce its affect in various cultures.
• Add pictures.
• Present a timeline.

Jescelane (talk) 07:43, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I can help out and collaborate. Which would you like to work on first? Viriditas (talk) 07:50, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Hula hoop

File:Erica anderson

hula hoop can twirled around the waist limbs or neck children generally measure approximately 71 centimetres [28in]in 1.02 meters[40in].the hoop gained international popularity in the late 1950s plastic version was successfully markete by california's .in 1957 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.94.89.195 (talk) 15:03, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Hooping page and Hula hoop page

The hooping page doesn't have enough information. These two pages need to have a little more coordination -- there is different information on each one. I could use some help weeding through it all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michelledianemoore (talk • contribs) 20:32, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I recently just added a large amount to the section of pyro-hooping. I thought it was essential to add fire safety tips to those just using a simple and quick research over the activity before they start. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.109.176.163 (talk) 07:41, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I'd not oppose a merge, or at least better distinction between the subject of the two articles. Fences&Windows 18:15, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Almost two years later and these two articles are still meshed together. IMO there should be on article on hooping with the information about the Hoola Hoop toy beneath that heading. If not, all this information about Hooping that isn't related to the trademarked Hoola Hoop toy should be moved to the hooping article. Your thoughts? Odestiny (talk) 22:41, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Factoids

"An early duration record for the hula hoop was set by 11-year-olds Paulette Robinson, Charles Beard and Patsy Jo Grigby in Jackson, Mississippi lasting 11 hours and 34 minutes (August, 1960). The event was sponsored by radio station WOKJ." Sadly this is unverifiable. User:ErikNY added it in 2009,[1] while claiming to be "reverting vandalism". It seems to be invented.

"In the 13th century in Scotland, hoops were later extended to adult audiences and were popular for recreation and religious ceremonies. According to their medical records from that era, doctors treated and encouraged patients with dislocated backs and heart attack victims to use this winding exercise." This section seems to have gone through vandalism and/or Chinese Whispers. Claims about a hooping craze in the 14th century in England being the cause of medical problems trace back to a 1989 book by Charles Panati, and have been repeated without question ever since. I have my doubts about the veracity of this as Panati doesn't give his sources, but it'll probably do. Fences&Windows 18:11, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Dubious

"Hula hooping has been a type of exercise and play from as early as the 5th century in ancient Greece. Before it was known and recognized as the common colourful plastic toy (sometimes with water inside the actual hoop), it used to be made of dried up willow, rattan, grapevines, or stiff grasses. Even though the toy has existed for thousands of years, it is often misunderstood as being invented in the 1950s."

I think there's evidence for the Ancient Greeks using hoops in exercise and practising hoop rolling, but I cannot find good evidence that they did 'hula hooping', i.e. spinning the hoop about the waist or body. This is simply repeated around the web without any decent sourcing. Fences&Windows 18:49, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Paul Blair

Are the mentioned Paul "Dizzy Hips" Blair and Paul "Sexy Hips" Blair the same person? If so, which nickname is correct? 2001:981:4B0C:1:DAA2:5EFF:FE8E:C8D8 (talk) 17:53, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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Record for number of hoops

Currently says 160. New record by Marawa Ibrahim with 200 hoops. [2], [3].SmileFIN (talk) 04:52, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done--John Cline (talk) 05:52, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

The Australian Connection

Please explain why Australia had cane hoops in the 1950s.

FWIW. We used these in Australian primary schools in the 1950s, and possibly before, as part of the physical education curriculum.

--2001:44B8:3102:BB00:84F3:42F7:7084:8BFF (talk) 07:44, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

smart hula

There should bea section in the new smart hula hoops .... plastic tracks that sit around the waist with a weight on a rope that runs around it on wheels 84.71.247.200 (talk) 00:51, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

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