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Untitled edit
I wanted to start this entry in order to fill in the genealogy. I haven't made a succession box, because I haven't yet found out what happened to the County of Marche between 1165 and 1203. No doubt someone else can help. Andrew Dalby http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dalby/ 18:11, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
Clarification re Engagement to Isabella of Angouleme edit
According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, Who's Who in Early Medieval England, and the Penguin Historical Atlas of the Medieval World, it was Hugh IX who was engaged to Isabella of Angouleme when she was persuaded to marry King John instead (Penguin says she was "abducted"). Also according to the Encyclopedia, Isabella married Hugh X (son of Hugh IX) after John's death.Beee3 (talk) 18:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
le Brun edit
(If this is a sensitive topic the result of the discussion might be better left in the disussion section ? However translation of the nickname into english seems to put this in a position to need a bit of clarification, just from the standpoint of "social history".) I have spent some time looking for whether or not le Brun (in so many generations of the men of this family) means that they were negro/Moore/Blakamoore... In gen 6 there was a wife who may have been muslim (Sarazine/Sarafine de Lezay), this may be how we get le brun, but my research seems to say she was just another french woman whose origins got lost to time and that le brun comes from somewhere else. John5Russell3Finley (talk) 16:00, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Deduced edit
Who, exactly, has "deduced" that Hugh X cannot have been the son of Mathilde? First cousin marriages happened all the time in the Middle Ages - you just needed a dispensation. john k (talk) 13:31, 7 October 2013 (UTC)