Talk:House of Bourbon-Parma

Luxembourg

As the Grand Duke of Luxembourg is a male line member of a cadet branch of the House of Bourbon-Parma, I've added Luxembourg to the article as one of the states the dynasty ruled/rules. -- fdewaele, 24 January 2013.

Since January 2013 the article mentions this. No problems with that until 2019. But since 2019 at various time anonymous users keep reverting the Luxembourgian link without any discussion or explanation or consensus. It is nonetheless a fact that since 1964 a cadet branch of the House of Bourbon-Parma has reigned agnatically in Luxembourg when upon the abdication of his mother Charlotte her son Jean became Grand Duke of Luxembourg. Jean was the son of Prince Felix of Bourbon-Parma, a younger son of Robert I of Parma, and Charlotte, Grand Duchess of Luxembourg. Charlotte's descendants have since reigned as the continued dynasty of Nassau, but that makes them still patrilinear members of the House of Bourbon-Parma. Just in the same way the House of Windsor is a cadet branch of the House of Wettin. -- fdewaele, 3 May 2020.

That’s not the way it works, just because their grandfather was a member of another house does bit mean they are a member of that house because if that was the case then it would literally be listed on the government site of Luxembourg which only mentions the House of Nassau-Weilburg....on Wikipedia we go along on facts and not presumptions so as not to mislead readers....also the house of Windsor was created literally after all dynastic ties to the house of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha was severed, so it is as much as a branch of the house of wettin as the house of Nassau-weilburg is of the house of bourbon-Parma which is nothing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.252.129.167 (talk) 14:20, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

There's a difference between the name of the dynastic House as used in the country for the ruling dynasty (which is explicitly noted in the article to be Nassau-(-Weilburg)) and the descent of the House which is always taken in partrilinear line. The princes of Luxemburg even used unttil 1987 - when Jean renounced the title - the title of prince of B-P amongst their titles. The reason for this renunciation was a family squable cause by the fact that Carlos Hugo, then the head of the House of B-P, had ruled the marriage of the current Grand Duke and Grand duchess to be "unequal". The fact the name of N-D is used does see to it that from Jean on they aren't part of or patrlineary descendent from that elder House as well. Not mentioning in the article the fact that the current Luxembourgian House is a patrilineear branch would be denying/rewriting of historical facts. Regardless of that until the 1987 renunciation there's no doubt that they were part of the House otherwise Jean wouldn't have to renounce those titles.

Nonetheless some sort of compromise must be possible because? Because - even if your reasoning is followed (quod non) - then the not mentioning the link is historically incorrect as well -- fdewaele, 3 May 2020, 16:37 CET.

Nominal Dukes of Parma (since 1859)

Expert needed talk

There are no more "dukes" since 1859, as there has not been a Duchy since then. So, why listing "nominal duke", if they where not dukes!? It's missleading and POV. --Meridiana solare (talk) 18:23, 2 February 2021 (UTC)