Talk:House of Bernadotte

Håkon VII's relations to the house

Simply curiolus: In what way is Prince Carl of Denmark (Håkon den Syvende) descendant of the House of Bernadotte? I have a slight feeling that this passage is misleading. I've understood that in order to edit it is a rule of tumb to suggest constructive changes rather than deleting. I don't feel like an expert on this field so I guess someone else will look into this matter....

Carl/Håkon's parents were Frederick VIII of Denmark and Lovisa of Sweden, the daughter of Charles XV of Sweden. So the passage is certainly correct. But if it tricks the reader into believing that he was elected King of Norway because he was a Bernadotte descendant, that would be going too far; if you feel that this is the case, go ahead and change it. -- Jao 22:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Ethnicity

According to the text, the ethnicity on the table to the right is incorrect. The first Bernadotte was French, therefore the correct ethnicity should include French also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.11.35.220 (talk) 00:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I question the very need for an ethnicity parameter. Yes, its first members were most decidedly French. Every subsequent member has been born in Sweden. All recent members have a majority-German ancestry. (I don't see a case for Norwegian, though, as far as ethnicity goes.) What the ethnicity of a house is, is so open to interpretation that we can't really say at all. If the template were changed to read origin instead, then I would be happy to have that, listing France (and only France). But I think ethnicity should go. (Also note that there's no ethnicity at House of Windsor.) -- Jao (talk) 07:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

All the king's sisters part of the royal family?

I don't know if I have understood this correctly, but on the page of the royal court, it seems that a difference in status is made between the king's sisters. Birgitta is counted as a member of the "royal house", while the other sisters is counted as members of the "extended family". Why is this? Is it because she is the only one who married a man with the title prince? --85.226.43.6 (talk) 11:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Quite right. By marrying without the king's consent, Birgitta's sisters all lost their HRH status. They continue to be styled princesses (in a specific manner; never "Princess of Sweden") for courtesy reasons. -- Jao (talk) 12:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. I suspected something like that. But is this only because they did marry without the kings consent, or is it important that there husband's are not royal? For example, would they loose their status, if they married a commoner with the consent of the king? --85.226.43.6 (talk) 19:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

No, certainly not. But of course, the reason for not approving the marriages was the status of their husbands. This is the same reason that all the Counts of Wisborg lost their succession rights; Prince Bertil waited a few decades and got the new king's consent. -- Jao (talk) 19:29, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. If you would like to answer, I have two other questions I will post below. --85.226.43.6 (talk) 19:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Queen Dowager

Which title will Queen Silvia recieve when she becomes a widow and her daughter is queen? I don't know if the title Queen mother exist in Sweden? Will she be called Queen Dowager? I have the impression, that the title Queen Dowager is considered old-fashioned and is no longer used in Europe. When was this title used in Sweden last?--85.226.43.6 (talk) 19:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

As for the last question, Sofia of Nassau survived her husband by six years (1907–1913) and I'd assume she was known as "Änkedrottningen" (literally "The Widow Queen") during this period, as was customary earlier. As it's almost a century ago now, I have no idea how a new case would be treated. -- Jao (talk) 20:46, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!--85.226.43.6 (talk) 20:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Queen Victorias consort and her married name

I understand this question may be hard to answer, but perhaps someone can anyway. It seems to a lot of discussions about Crown Princess Victorias possible marriage to Daniel Westling. But the current king has married a commoner, as queen Silvia is not born royal. Is it considered a different matter because of the gender? Is the reason perhaps, that Victoria will take his last name after the marriage? But will she take his name? Nowadays, it is allowed for a woman to pass her last name to her children even when married. Will she keep her last name Bernadotte after her marriage, and give it to her children? --85.226.43.6 (talk) 19:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

See answer at Talk:Victoria, Crown Princess of Sweden. -- Jao (talk) 20:46, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer on that page Jao! But there was one more question here, which was not on my question on that page: It seems to a lot of discussions about Crown Princess Victorias possible marriage to Daniel Westling. But the current king has married a commoner, as queen Silvia is not born royal. Is it considered a different matter because of the gender? Is it seen as different somehow, and more serious, that crown princess marries a male commoner, than when a crown prince marries a female commoner? As I mentioned, queen Silvia was a commoner, and many current European crown princes has married commoners. Is there perhaps a gender issue somehow? --85.226.43.6 (talk) 21:00, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Possibly, but I'm not able to tell for sure. -- Jao (talk) 21:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Erroneous link

On the "House of Bernadotte" template, Sigvard, Duke of Uppland links to his brother, Carl Johan. I've tried to figure out how to correct the link, but could not. Could someone fix this? Trjumpet (talk) 16:05, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for finding it. -- Jao (talk) 17:28, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Problems with ethnicity

I think there is a problem with the ethnicity parameter : the first Bernadotte, Jean-Baptiste, put there by Napoleon was French (he was born in Perpignan, at the Spain border), and the fact that they are "germanized" is quite not correct : his son (also king) does not speak a word of swedish, so the whole court was forced to speak french. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.128.1.226 (talk) 17:02, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

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Children excluded today

The king excluded 5 grandchildren per decree today. The list has been correctly updated accordingly. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:44, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

@SergeWoodzing: is Royal house of Sweden and house of Bernadotte same? It is said that grand children of the King other than children of Heir to the throne is removed from Royal House (Kungl. Huset), was it happened or King as head of the House of Bernadotte removed them from House of Bernadotte.
How ever there is a similar royal house in Norway, Prince Sverre Magnus is not a member there, but he is belongs to House of Glücksburg a Cadet Branch of house of Oldenberg. Chamika1990 (talk) 12:16, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

They're still in the line of succession. So the others should still be added. They just lost the Royal Highness. Mirrorthesoul (talk) 02:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Who is in and who's out?

The list is inconsistent in that it (rightly, I think) includes 4 deceased princes who were Swedish royals only for the first part of their lives, but excludes 3 of the current king's living sisters and 5 of his grandchildren who all also were royal from birth, but later not. How de we justify/clarify that? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:23, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

I took a stab at it. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:36, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Rolled back 2 edits

I rolled back 2 edits where info had been addd with no reliable sources - genealogical sites such as geni are not reliable¨. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:10, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Rolling back 5 edits

I am rolling back 5 edits adding persons who do not belong to the Royal House as defined by the Royal Court. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:43, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

This article is about House of Bernadotte or Bernadotte dynasty not about Swedish Royal house, as of their website ,Royal court defined members of Swedish royal house not of Bernadotte dynasty, Swedish royal house belongs to the dynasty, not the same. Also there is a similar royal house in Norway also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chamika1990 (talk • contribs) 01:56, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

This article has a section called "Royal House". Members of the House of Bernadotte who do not belong to the Royal House should not be included there. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 09:22, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Redundant wording (with bad grammar) about what is included in the list under the section "Entire royal House" keeps getting added without discussion. I will continue to remove it. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:22, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I have now corrected definitions and clarified what the royal-house list includes and excludes. I agree that clarity was needed. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:30, 25 October 2022 (UTC)