Talk:Hot Brown

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Another variation popular in eastern Kentucky is turkey and ham, cheddar and American cheese slices, brown gravy, tomato and bacon. Kamnet (talk) 23:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

A real Hot Brown doesn't have orange cheese sauce on it like what's pictured in the article. Any variation that uses it is because it's a cheap imitation made with Cheez-whiz or other prepackaged cheese sauce. Nothing but pecorino romano is used. Places where people think they're eating Italian food because they put ketchup on noodles and it looks like marinara do not make it so and neither does some half-assed imitation done in the poorest regions of the state or mass-marketed restaurants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.242.83 (talk) 11:43 am, 29 June 2014

Mornay?

Currently there is this phrase "More common alternatives to the Hot Brown include using Cheddar cheese or American cheese for the sauce."

However a Mornay sauce is described as a Bechamel with cheese, said cheese can be cheddar. Thus using cheddar cheese wouldn't be a variation. Either this part can be removed as superfluous (leaving just the "American 'cheese'" as a variation) or the preceding section needs to be modified to specify the type of cheese used in the sauce. Pbhj (talk) 21:53, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I believe the point of the sentence is that a slice of cheese, instead of a sauce, is sometimes used. oknazevad (talk) 03:36, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Is coverage itself notable?

I was looking more into the Betty Givan content. In general, coverage itself is only notable when a notable subject is involved in that coverage. Betty's Kitchen appears to be non-notable, and not representative of "the sandwich's place in pop culture". But more than that, I wonder whether the Hot Brown on TV section is worth including at all. That a sandwich has been discussed on television is not something that tends to feature heavily in our sandwich articles. It seems like we're trying to prove that a Hot Brown is "a thing". If these TV shows actually provide information about the sandwich, we should use them as sources, but if not, it seems like the whole section is a weak WP:IPC case. Ibadibam (talk) 06:11, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Of course it's notable! Betty's Kitchen IS notable. She has been the subject of numerous editorial features in newspapers nationally, and appeared on 20/20 as a YouTube personality. Given that she's from Kentucky, she is one of the biggest voices speaking about the Hot Brown and teaching people about its history around the world. Furthermore, the subject of this wikipedia article isn't just a sandwich—it's a famous sandwich, so that fact should be established with sections on the sandwich's appearances in pop culture outside of restaurant menus. An article on Soupman would be incomplete without information about its connection to Seinfeld. An article on a Waldorf Salad would be incomplete without mention of the famous episode of Fawlty Towers that featured it. Now, if you want to combine TV and Internet into one "Hot Brown in Pop Culture" section, that I can support, but to pretend that this article should be about nothing more than the food's origin and recipe is incredibly myopic.207.251.105.2 (talk) 12:40, 20 June 2017 (UTC)AnonymousL

Could you please provide links to the "numerous editorial features"? If Betty's Kitchen is notable, there should be a Wikipedia article about it. I invite you to create this article, with attention to the the general notability and web content notability guidelines. In the meantime, I have taken your suggestion of merging the sections, now titled In the media. I have removed some content to make it less promotional, and tagged the remaining content for improvement. Please leave this tag in place.

To continue the discussion, I don't agree with your assessment of pop culture (have a look at the essay Wikipedia:"In popular culture" content), nor do I agree that Betty's Kitchen is the same level of exposure as Seinfeld or Fawlty Towers. But if you can prove the notability of Givan and her channel by creating an article and getting it accepted, I'll concede the second point. Ibadibam (talk) 18:10, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Unless Betty's Kitchen is notable enough for an article (and an article on it is written and sticks), then the reference to it is unencylopedic. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:36, 9 September 2017 (UTC)