Talk:Hostage (song)

Requested move 29 July 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. There is a rough consensus that WP:SMALLDETAILS applies here.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:25, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

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Hostage (Billie Eilish song) → Hostage (song) – Primary search topic for the term "Hostage (song)". All the others song of the same title do not have an article The Ultimate Boss (talk) 07:21, 29 July 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. — YoungForever^(talk) 22:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per potential confusion with The Hostage (song) and also WP:INCDAB with respect to other entries on Hostage (disambiguation)#Songs. -- Netoholic @ 07:42, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Netoholic. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 06:47, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support per nom. There is no other article that could reasonably use the title. Station1 (talk) 19:07, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
• Support. We do not further disambiguate someone with (Russian politician) when a non-notable political candidate's name redirects to an election page, or (American chef) if a non-notable cooking show contestant redirects to the show's season. Likewise, further disambiguation when there are no notable songs by that name, just ones that redirect to their albums without significant discussion, is not helpful to readers searching the name.--Yaksar (let's chat) 01:40, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support per WP:DABSONG since it's the only subject by this name which has an article. I don't agree with possible confusion with The Hostage (song) since I believe the "The" distinguishes the two subjects, but hatnotes couldn't hurt. Steel1943 (talk) 04:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support per Steel1943. El Millo (talk) 23:24, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment – I totally agree with Steel1943. cookie monster (2020) 755 01:50, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per Netoholic and Lugnuts but would, by the same token, support The Hostage (song) → The Hostage (Donna Summer song). If the main title header for the Donna Summer song is ultimately not moved in such a potential nomination, then the obvious inconsistency would require a revisit here in the event that this ongoing voting results in no consensus. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:54, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
• Support Only song with this WP:SMALLDETAILS name. --В²C ☎ 19:05, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 10:03, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

I hope this review goes well with you being on Wiki more now --K. Peake 10:03, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• WP:OVERLINK of Billie Eilish under songwriters
• Identify him as Finneas under producers
• "from her debut EP Don't Smile at Me (2017)." → "from her debut EP, Don't Smile at Me (2017)."
• Wikilink Finneas O'Connell
• "whilst the latter solely handled its production." → "while the latter solely handled production."
• "Musically, it was described as a" → "The song is a"
• "Lyrically, the track is" → "Lyrically, it is"
• "feels for a boy" → "feels for a male"
• "The track was accompanied by a music video released" → "An accompanying music video was released" with the wikilink
• Mention about the video's synopsis in the following sentence
• ""Hostage" was certified platinum in the United States and Canada." → "The song was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Assocation of America (RIAA) and Music Canada (MC) in the United States and Canada, respectively." with the wikilinks
• Mention something about live performance(s) in the last sentence

Background and composition

• "is the eighth and final track on Eilish's debut EP Don't Smile at Me," → "was included as the eighth and final track on Eilish's debut EP Don't Smile at Me,"
• "It was written by" → "The song was written by"
• "her brother Finneas O'Connell. Finneas was also" → "her brother Finneas O'Connell, known under his stage name of Finneas. He was also solely"
• Target mixing to Audio mixing (recorded music)
• Target mastering to Mastering (audio)
• "to sheet music website Musicnotes.com," → "to the sheet music published at Musicnotes.com,"
• "vocals range between" → "span a range from"
• ""Hostage" is a" → "Musically, "Hostage" was described as a"
• "a happy relationship." → "a happy relationship:"
• "I want to be alone, alone with you, does that make sense?" are the actual lyrics according to the source. I supposed the commas may be used to separate lines, but still, make sure the words are correct 100%
• "sense?" she harmonizes with her Finneas." → "sense?", she harmonizes with Finneas."
• "them for herself. "I wanna" → "them for herself: "I want to"
• "Eilish turns out..." where does the source say this?
• "She wants to keep him..." where does the source say this and there is no mention of the following lyrics?

Reception

• Retitle to Reception and promotion, placing the live performances at the bottom of this section instead of where they currently are
• "described it as" → "described the song as"
• "and says it" → "and said that it"
• "on dangerous." She further compared it" → "on dangerous". She further compared the song"
• ""and vulnerability" of "Idontwannabeyouanymore"." → "and the "vulnerability" of "Idontwannabeyouanymore", both of which are from Don't Smile at Me."
• "The staff remarked it as" → "The staff hailed the song as"
• "The song placed at" → "The song was placed at"
• Fix Insider typo and target to Insider (website) per MOS:LINK2SECT
• "with Claudia Willen describing it 'artfully" → "with Claudia Willen of the website noting that it "artfully"
• "And shows Eilish's" → "She continued, writing that the song shows Eilish's"
• "received a platinum certification in" → "has been certified platinum in"
• The live performances should be straight after this in the para

Music video

Background and release

• Retitle to Background
• Wikilink music video
• "released exclusively for" → "released exclusively via"
• "It was later uploaded to" → "The video was later uploaded to"
• "to create a white room" → "to create a room"
• "Eilish explained it a statement" → "Eilish explained in a statement"
• "the visual.[13] They had trouble" → "the visual, as a result of issues with schedules and trouble" since the source you obviously intended to place here does mention the other part which is notable fully
• "They'd eventually figure out a plan where Stromae and Luc's would come up with the idea and Scholfield" → "They eventually figured out a plan that involved Stromae and Tam coming up with the idea, while Scholfield"
• "They had to" → "The group had to"
• "Eilish's tour. They rehearsed the choreography" → "Eilish's tour, with them rehearsing the choreography"
• "they would shoot the video" → "the group shot the music video"
• "Eilish concludes, saying:" → "Eilish concluded by saying,"

Synopsis

• Retitle to Synopsis and reception, since the following sub-section is so short that it can be a para directly below this one
• "The setting of the video takes place in an all-white room," → "The music video is set in an all white room,"
• [4] should be solely at the end of the para since it is the sole ref here
• "her lover dressed in all white." → "her lover, who are both dressed in all white."
• "as he is getting pulled up." → "beneath the fabric while he is getting pulled up."
• "He stops moving..." this sentence is not backed up

Reception

• Target Complex to Complex (magazine) per MOS:LINK2SECT
• "the choreography, saying" → "the choreography of the video, saying that"
• "says the video" → "wrote that the video"
• "while Eilish and her" → "while he stated that Eilish and her"
• ""Hostage" received a" → "The music video received a"
• Target Best Cinematography to MTV Video Music Award for Best Cinematography

Live performances

• "performed live during Eilish's" → "performed "Hostage" live during her"
• "the setlist of her" → "the setlist of Eilish's"

Credits and personnel

• Good

Charts

Year-end charts

• See MOS:TABLECAPTION

Certifications

• See MOS:TABLECAPTION

References

• Copyvio score looks decent at 38.7%
• Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
• Target Insider to Insider (website) on ref 6 per MOS:LINK2SECT
• Target Complex to Complex (magazine) on ref 12 per MOS:LINK2SECT
• Ref 13 is an incorrectly formatted duplicate of ref 15; replace all places where 13 is invoked with 15
• MOS:QWQ issues with ref 15 and cite Universal Music Group as the publisher
• [Universal Music Group → Universal Music Group on ref 17

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold after a quick review, this article is decent currently --K. Peake 12:58, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Kyle Peake, thanks a lot for the review! Lmk if anything else needs to be done! The Ultimate Boss (talk) 05:55, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

The Ultimate Boss ✓ Pass now because nothing else needs to be done after some brief copy editing from me! --K. Peake 09:34, 17 October 2020 (UTC)