Talk:Home Free (group)

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I added several paragraphs to the article to fill out a lot of background information on the group that people will be interested in. Feel free to make improvements or expand upon it. My summary is collected from several sources. I've cited the main ones, but I didn't want to go overboard putting footnotes on every sentence. Let me know if you think there's any particular item that's not sufficiently referenced. Iglew (talk) 22:46, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

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(pbleadfoot) I researched additional albums before Crazy Life, found the release dates and added them to the table. After I entered them, someone(74.119.161.33) disagreed with these dates. As the Christmas Vol 2 shows up as released AFTER Vol 1, with these new dates, I am inclined to believe at least that one... However, I added a column with the original dates I found, and the citations, as I can't find anything to support the dates entered by (74.119.161.33). Pbleadfoot —Preceding undated comment added 23:24, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

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request for separate pages for members

Please someone create separate pages for the separate members of this band — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysong263 (talk • contribs) 05:32, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Seconded - Tim Foust in particular sets the bar for low bass in the international acappella community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.9.39.250 (talk) 00:46, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

personal life

It would be nice to have this section. Are any of these guys married? How old are they?

Early 30s. Yes, most are family men - check their website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.9.39.250 (talk) 00:48, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Category: vocal group

There's no social activist group like Anonymous (group) called "Home Free", but all the same (group) could mean almost anything here. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:26, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Your understanding of the category's wrong, based in your subjective position of activism. The Beatles were a pop group. Home Free are an acappellan vocal group. A group doesn't mean activist. About the only ones I can think of crossing the boundary were The Flying Pickets. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.9.39.250 (talk) 00:53, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Request for Comment: New WikiProject for A Cappella-related articles

Hi there! To any and all interested: I've proposed a WikiProject dedicated to a cappella. This would be a group of editors interested in improving the quality of articles related to a cappella. If you're passionate about a cappella—ranging from the Pentatonix and Home Free to collegiate groups, perhaps pop culture representations like Pitch Perfect and The Sing-Off—please check out the proposal and share your thoughts!

Here's a link to the proposal for WikiProject A Cappella.

If you could see yourself contributing to an article related to a cappella (like this one), please consider joining!

—Shrinkydinks (talk) 06:51, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Group members

I am really frustrated that there are not separate articles about the members of this group. Tim Foust, in particular, has collaborated with other artists such as Peter Hollens and Chris Rupp. I would like to have a separate article about him at least. I’m very frustrated with editors who are saying that individual group members are not significant. I’m very frustrated in general about editors who are saying that any article posted is not significant. Skysong263 (talk) 18:05, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

@Skysong263: Collaborations do not indicate notability. Subjects must have clear indication of notability by a variety of reliable, secondary sources. – Rhain ☔ 02:25, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

@Rhain: He does have 33k followers on twitter and he's a member of a group that has over a million followers on YouTube and over 400 million views. The idea that the individual members of such a famous group are not notable is ludicrous and arrogant. He's also the main spokesman when they appear on stage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysong263 (talk • contribs) 23:22, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

@Skysong263: His online popularity is irrelevant; Wikipedia has a set of guidelines regarding notability, and follower counts play no role in determining this. As for your assertions of "he's a member of a group that has over a million followers" and "The idea that the individual members of such a famous group are not notable is ludicrous": notability is not inherited. Being part of a notable group does not make the member notable; there should be a demonstration of the subject's standalone notability.

Just to be clear, I never said that Tim Foust shouldn't have an article—it's entirely possible that there's enough reliable, secondary sourcing to justify a separate article—but the arguments of "he's collaborated a lot", "he has a lot of followers", and "he's the main spokesman" do not provide this justification. – Rhain ☔ 00:33, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

This is ludicrous. An academic, who can create long lists of footnotes about an obscure topic such as a new species of beetle, can get their article published. An ordinary person who wants to have an article of interest to tens of thousands or even millions of people, but who doesn’t have the ability to create lots of footnotes, can’t get their material published. This inherent academic bias is very arrogant and undemocratic. The exclusion of social media evidence is absurd. Skysong263 (talk) 17:00, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

There are plenty of social media pages with thousands or millions of followers, but that doesn't mean they warrant an article, otherwise we'll end up with articles about meme pages and what not. An unknown academic can't randomly self-publish an article and get it published; if it's vetted by a reliable outlet (a.k.a. peer reviewed), then it can likely be used. Regardless, though, on a talk page like this you're just shouting into the void. If you want an article on Tim Foust, start working on one. – Rhain ☔ 00:10, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

"The Sounds of Lockdown" was released on 6/17/2022 https://homefreemusic.com/products/the-sounds-of-lockdown-cd — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.31.14.149 (talk) 09:40, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Original songs

Knowing that their "So Long Dixie" album, scheduled to be released in November 2022, is largely original songs as well, I wonder if the section on original songs should either (a) be reworked or (b) be eliminated entirely. It's about to be expanded by another 10+ songs, which is going to make it very lengthy. Perhaps we could limit it to songs that one or more HF members have (co-)written? Alternatively, perhaps developing material for a section on song selection (highlighting original songs) might make sense here. Thoughts from other editors of this article?

(As an aside, I am reviewing the "History of Home Free" videos on Chris Rupp's Youtube channel to see if I can develop a timeline of group membership, but it's not as easy as I thought it would be. Turns out they've had lots of short term subs, and even developed an entire B-group to cover the shows they'd already booked when they were performing in the Sing-Off.) Risker (talk) 05:07, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

@Risker: The section was titled "Original singles" until recently, but this clearly isn't true (e.g. Dive Bar Saints didn't have ten singles). A list of singles would be fine, but a list of original songs is not. In the case of the latter, I'd support removal. – Rhain ☔ (he/him) 05:20, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

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Chris Rupp as singular founder

I find it somewhat disconcerting to find Chris Rupp listed as the sole founder, as if the group sprang full-formed from his brow. While "Hey, let's form an a cappella group!" may have been his idea, that group needed other members to actually come into existence. Adam Rupp, especially, is always introduced as a / the founder at concerts and in interviews, and was the group's financial and business manager -- maintaining their budget, making travel arrangements and purchase decisions, and contacting venues and agencies to get bookings. Without him, the group would have done a few church concerts and local private events and then faded into obscurity. Is there a way to give Chris his due without completely ignoring the contributions of the other founders? Lrfcowper (talk) 16:04, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

You're right, Lrfcowper. I've gone back to the video that was used as a reference, and it was clear that all three (Chris Rupp, Adam Rupp, and Matt Atwood) were founders. I've updated. Risker (talk) 02:28, 22 December 2023 (UTC)