Talk:Holy Roman Empire

Antisemitism

Should be mentioned. Xx236 (talk) 10:31, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

https://www.bancaditalia.it/pubblicazioni/altri-atti-seminari/2018/paper_Pascali.pdf Xx236 (talk) 10:32, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

There's nothing particularly interesting about anit-semitism in the HRE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.186.78.167 (talk) 15:34, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Then perhaps you should add something. —GoldRingChip 15:37, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Error in 1618 map?

I have a question about the map of Religion in the Holy Roman Empire on the eve of the Thirty Years' War by ziegelbrenner. The file description says that this is as of 1618. However, the map marks the entire Lgft. Hessen-Darmstadt as Lutheran at that time, which is not correct. It glosses over the events of the Hessian War, due to which parts of that territory (specifically the Hessian Hinterland) were Calvinist between 1606 and 1624; compare [1], page 10. Shouldn't that section of the map therefore be labelled as Calvinist? Renerpho (talk) 06:33, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

I think this is also true for the region around Marburg (including the town itself), which became Calvinist in December 1606 and remained so until Ludwig V's case against this was enforced by Tilly in the spring of 1624. I don't understand why that part of Hesse-Kassel is not labelled Calvinist, like the rest of that territory. Compare the shaded red region in the left map here. Renerpho (talk) 06:45, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

I have temporarily removed the map,[2] to allow for the inaccuracies to be fixed, and (if found necessary) to check whether there are additional errors beyond the ones I had mentioned in my original post six weeks ago. Renerpho (talk) 02:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I really wish this map was in SVG: if that was the case, a fix would be trivial. Remsense留 05:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

The map is currently being worked on. The errors I mentioned above have been corrected. A number of possible additional errors about the surrounding regions are currently being discussed on the creator's user talk page. With that, all the places about which I know enough to recognize mistakes (in the map, that's HD, Hessen-Kassel, SY, and Fsm. Nassau) will have been checked and corrected, so my work on this will soon be over. However, given that all of them have been labelled incorrectly, it may be worth to have an expert check the rest of the map... In any case, I am happy to add the map back as soon as the last remaining corrections have been made. Renerpho (talk) 01:47, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

The remaining issues have been addressed, and I have added the map back to the article. For the changes made, compare old version vs. new version, and the discussion here. Renerpho (talk) 00:43, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Acronym

More or less common acronym: HRE. – Hamid Hassani (talk) 08:23, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Sicily and the infobox map

Dear restless IP, since this seems very important to you and you interpret the source UNIO REGNI AD IMPERIUM in "Federiciana" as if Sicily was part of the Empire from 1194 until the end of the Hohenstaufen dynasty, let's discuss.

The infobox map was already discussed in two sections (1, 2) of the last archived discussion page, also in this section several years ago. One consent was that Sicily was reigned by the Hohenstaufen emperors in personal union. The given source UNIO REGNI AD IMPERIUM explains how the Hohenstaufen, especially Henry VI, claimed Sicily for the Empire, established their rule in the right of Queen Constance, but then Henry failed with his Erbreichsplan that could have united the Empire and Sicily. The source speaks of a personal union, not of Sicily as part of the Empire. Another consent in previous discussions was that the map should only include parts of the Empire, not dependencies, and in no way it should include Venice. A later discussion adressed factual errors of the previously used maps like the inclusion of Sardinia which was claimed by the Hohenstaufen one time but never actually got under their control. Palastwache (talk) 11:21, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

No map of 17th century religious divisions?

@Aearthrise: Following the changes you did in late January, there is now no map that shows the religious divisions of the empire on the eve of the Thirty Years War. It appears that you tried to replace the old map by File:The Protestant Union within the Holy Roman Empire (c. 1610).svg,[3] and then decided to get rid of it entirely. I think that's been a mistake, and would suggest that we add back File:HolyRomanEmpire 1618.png. Renerpho (talk) 21:59, 2 April 2024 (UTC)