Talk:Holy, Holy, Holy! Lord God Almighty

Latest comment: 4 years ago by Yoninah in topic DYK nomination

Alternative lyrics

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Wow, surprised not to see a talk page here. Anyway, I seem to remember singing different lyrics to the second verse, specifically "crystal" instead of "glassy" and "Who" instead of "Which". Also, I know that some churches (maybe just Churches of Christ?) sing "God over all and blest eternally" as the fourth line of the first and fourth stanzas. Any other ideas/ sources on this? -- 07:09, 15 February 2008

I go to a nondenominational Christian Church, and our hymnal has this alternate last line. For the record, most of us grew up with the "trinity" version and don't like the change.

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The Mormon version finishes the first and fourth stanzas with a nontrinitarian "God in His glory, blessed Deity!". knoodelhed (talk) 09:26, 24 November 2016 (UTC)Reply

Heber wrote it as a Trinity Day poem, so he almost certainly wrote “God in three Persons, Blessed Trinity.” Hellenophile07 (talk) 00:16, 20 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

Alternative melody

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John Dykes' melody is by far the best known, but not necessarily the best - how about pointers to other melodies please?

User:TonyGosling  —Preceding undated comment added 10:25, 15 August 2016 (UTC) Reply

Dykes’ melody, called “Nicæa”, was written to accompany this song only. According to the tune page for “Holy, Holy, Holy”, on www.hymnary.org, a distinct melody called “Trinity” arose in 1920 by Percy MacKaye. This melody was clearly inspired by “Nicæa”, and the text paired very nearly plagiarizes “Holy, Holy, Holy (Lord, God Almighty)”. Hellenophile07 (talk) 00:26, 20 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

Source for opening line

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Does the opening line quote the Sanctus of the Latin Mass as the article currently states? The Sanctus begins Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus, Dominus Deus Sabaoth ("Holy, holy, holy, Lord God of hosts"). While in modern English the term "Lord of Hosts" is sometimes rendered "Lord Almighty," I would be very doubful that was the practice in 1861 when Heber wrote the hymn. Obviously, the words in the hymn are not in Latin and it is not strictly a direct quote anyway. Additionally, Heber was surely aware that the Sanctus quotes from the considerably older Isaiah 6:3 and also appears in Revelation 4:8. Greenshed (talk) 20:06, 9 June 2019 (UTC)Reply

No, because rather than being a translation of the “Sanctus”, it is more likely to be reminiscent of the Eternal Song you mentioned, from Revelation 4:8: «ἅγιος, ἅγιος, ἅγιος Κύριος ὁ Θεὸς ὁ Παντοκράτωρ», which literally means “Holy, Holy, Holy, the Lord the God the Almighty”. Hellenophile07 (talk) 00:39, 20 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

DYK nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk17:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

 
Portrait of Reginald Heber, c.1822
  • Reviewed: Temple Memorial Park
  • Comment: Shortlist this for June 7th (Trinity Sunday, for which this hymn was written...)

5x expanded by RandomCanadian (talk). Self-nominated at 18:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC).Reply

  •   This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral, and I was unable to identify any copyright issues. A QPQ needs to be done and then this will be ready to go. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:30, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • I am looking at your #3 reference and still don't see it, although by clicking "Go to tune page >" there is a bit more. Anyway, ALT1 is a more interesting hook, in my opinion. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:35, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
It's there when you click "Go to tune page >" but you have to scroll down a bit. In any case, if you think ALT1 is better, I see no problem with that. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 23:40, 19 May 2020 (UTC)Reply