Talk:Hits Radio South Wales

Programme/Presenters

These sort of lists don't belong on a radio station page however programming may be described. Meaningless lists are pointless for a reader who knows nothing about the topic. More info see the Wikiproject: WP:WPRS Welshleprechaun (talk) 00:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I am a member of WP:WPRS & fully recommend that it should be displayed - it is useful and not pointless - it is considered to be detailed revision for people. If the info is displayed, then the topic won't be so meaningless as the people would read the detail provided - that is what Wikipedia is about. People would learn from the info placed.Jonny7003 (talk) 17:26, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

With respect, a member of WP:WPRS should read its guidelines. Also the list of slogans provides no information whatsoever. Welshleprechaun (talk) 14:04, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Prose is always preferred over lists. And membership in the WPRS, which is open to any editor who cares to sign up, is an expression of interest, not a badge of authority to be flashed around. I believe you'll find that WPRS and Wikipedia consensus is against current program schedules being included in virtually all radio station articles. - Dravecky (talk) 17:02, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, according to Wikipedia:WPRS#Participants as of about 45 seconds ago, no user "Jonny7003" has signed up to join this august organization. - Dravecky (talk) 17:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I've deleted the schedule program to make everyone happy.Jonny7003 (talk) 11:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

It's not about making people happy. It's about making Wikipedia encyclopaedic. I'm still pursuing the removal of the slogans and presenters. There is already a slogan in the infobox. I have removed them before but you have reverted it so I don't want to start an edit war. You could remove them yourself or I could take things further. Welshleprechaun (talk) 16:47, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Also removing presenters. See Wikiproject Radio Stations - "simple list of a station's on-air staff should not be added". Welshleprechaun (talk) 15:31, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Page name

What should this page really be named ? The Wave are in transition at the moment and DAB listening is increasing and they are mentioning the DAB status on air as well as "96.4 FM". The other moves were unnecessary and shall be cleared up asap. Jonny7003 (talk) 08:15, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

To save further hastle, I'll leave it as it is. Jonny7003 (talk) 09:02, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't think changes are really justified unless there is a clear corporate rebranding. The station uses the names "96.4FM The Wave" and "96.4 The Wave" on its website and either would do as far as I'm concerned.[1] Stability is the key. Pondle (talk) 11:59, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Please leave The Wave (UK) as it is because it does describe its context and I have added many links to the article thank you - and goodbye for now. Jonny7003 (talk) 20:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

It does NOT describe its context! That's why I wanted to put UK radio station. Welshleprechaun (talk) 20:32, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I have no preference for the page name. However, each name change has an effect. If you click on the "What links here" in the toolbox section to the left, you will realise what that effect is. Please ensure that pages linking to this article do so directly rather than going through redirect. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) 21:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

This is just silly. It's known as 96.4FM The Wave. What's wrong with that name?! Stop messing around.--88.109.205.42 (talk) 22:20, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I thought you had left, Jonny? Welshleprechaun (talk) 01:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

User 88.109.205.42 is not Jonny. That would be fairly obvious considering that Jonny7003 has been responsible for constantly renaming the page. User 88.109.205.42 is merely stating the obvious choice of name for the page i.e. 96.4FM The Wave.--88.109.232.44 (talk) 16:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Why don't we get an administrator to sort the name issue, if the obvious choice is 96.4 The Wave. I don't know how it works. 86.148.109.164 (talk) 18:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Why is it the obvious choice? Welshleprechaun (talk) 18:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know - it's what those people said above, that's why I said obvious.86.148.109.164 (talk) 20:16, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Mark Powell says The Wave South Wales a lot. 86.145.113.29 (talk) 06:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

We need to conclude what its offical name is. DJs are going to call it things like that for marketing purposes etc. The website is THEWAVE.co.uk and the logo says The Wave 96.4FM. Welshleprechaun (talk) 13:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

The article was called 96.4FM The Wave a few weeks ago, IMO that was a perfectly adequate name that captured the context and reflected the website.Pondle (talk) 13:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

But, don't the DJs and promotions and other features say The Wave - the 96.4FM is to remind the public and to do with marketing isn't it ? Make sure people know what to tune into. There's also the DAB radio listening figures going up, another reason why they usually state just 'The Wave'. Then again, the ofcom page says 96.4 The Wave. 86.147.216.58 (talk) 15:38, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

If any of the IPs have user accounts, can you log in please because this is creating confusion. I'm fairly sure you're all the same person. Welshleprechaun (talk) 15:47, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

I reckon it should be called 96.4 The Wave, due to the website stating this as well as the OFCOM Format as said above(?)81.151.17.64 (talk) 09:45, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Whoever mentioned about getting an admin in - do not. IMO there should be more help with this name. I'm gonna sort out the wikipedia account.81.151.17.64 (talk) 09:47, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

There happy now ? I've been looking at the comments you guys have been making - i was wrong. To end the debate i have done this final move, as some of you stated the 'obvious' name for the station was The Wave 96.4 - you have what you asked for. Just incase you wanna moan about the new title - here's a source to show that 'The Wave 96.4 FM' is in use - http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/music-radio-stations/wave-96-4-fm-swansea/ and http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/radiolicensing/amfm/analogue-main.htm (scroll to The Wave 96.4 FM) Bye- (talk) 12:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I hate seeing redirects, so I am fixing them. 81.157.88.175 (talk) 14:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I've requested indefinite move protection of this page, and it's been applied. Hopefully, the name on which it's currently landed is the correct one — if further discussion ends up deciding that it's not, administrator assistance to move the page one last time can be requested. Does everyone realize that this article has been moved 50 times over the last 8 1/2 months, due mainly to one user? Mlaffs (talk) 21:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Please do not edit

Please do not edit the article until the template has been removed. I'm doing a major cleanup to remove all POV, inappropriate and unsourced material. Any edits will cause a conflict and will be reverted. Thank you. Welshleprechaun (talk) 19:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I've finished editing. In an attempt to prevent edit warring, please do not make any controversial edits without discussing here first. This applies in particular to the multiple IPs (who are more likely than not the same editor) who are making back-and-fore edits. Thanks for your cooperation. Welshleprechaun (talk) 19:48, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Ofcom termed coverage area is in the infobox. Lead should specify the broadcast area as "Swansea Area" is not only ambiguous. it's subjective. If you still have a problem, please request a 3O rather than edit warring. Welshleprechaun (talk) 20:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Edit war? You made the initial change here,[2] so see WP:BRD. The phrase Swansea area may be ambiguous to you, but it's the phrase used by Ofcom! Besides, your addition of Neath Port Talbot and Carmarthenshire was inaccurate. See paragraph four of the coverage brief. Pondle (talk) 20:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not accusing you of edit war, just saying that it's best to discuss here rather than start one. Ofcom doesn't precisely define what the Swansea Area consists of. Mumbles? Llanelli? Carmarthen? Liverpool? Welshleprechaun (talk) 22:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Coverage area

Ofcom's exact text in para 4 of the coverage brief is "the city of Swansea and the surrounding area, including the towns of Llanelli, Neath and Port Talbot" with "the city of Swansea and the surrounding area" in bold. I suggest we follow the Ofcom form of words. Pondle (talk) 23:31, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

There's no need for the "including... blah blah blah", let's cut the crap and keep it simple and to the point. Welshleprechaun (talk) 23:34, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

You were the one who wanted clarification. IMO the city of Swansea and the surrounding area, including the towns of Llanelli, Neath and Port Talbot is to the point. I would be happy with the city of Swansea and the surrounding area in the lead with more clarification in the "Coverage Area" section, but the essential point is that the licence was granted "for the provision of an Independent Local Radio service or services in the Swansea area". This is clear in the coverage brief. Pondle (talk) 23:40, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

The Ofcom terminology is displayed in the infobox and can stay there. The lead has got nothing to do with saying what the licence is for, just to where the station broadcasts! You can go into more detail in the Coverage Area section. And how dare you accuse me of edit warring as I said to keep things on the talk page, but you are just pushing your views without consideration. Welshleprechaun (talk) 23:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not quibbling about the infobox, my concern is with the lead. As for where the station is broadcast to, I'm simply following the Ofcom text the city of Swansea and the surrounding area, including the towns of Llanelli, Neath and Port Talbot. This is a verbatim quote. I reverted your change, which created a subtly different meaning, and asked you to take to the talk page.[3] You "reverted my revert" in the middle of the talk page discussion[4]. I have offered a reasonable compromise above, if that doesn't sit with you I suggest a third opinion.Pondle (talk) 00:03, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

The Move

The Wave and Swansea Sound are not moving now. We're staying in Gowerton. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.133.162 (talk) 11:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Page name (again)

I ask for your cooperation. Each time you change the name of this article, please ensure that pages linking to it do so directly, rather than going through redirect. I'm thinking of the Wales page in particular, but there are probably others too. It makes us look like the bunch of amateurs we actually are. Cheers, Daicaregos (talk) (sorry, thought I'd signed)

Yeah, why is the name The Wave 96.4 FM - shouldn't it be 96.4 The Wave coz that's what ofcom have got and 96.4 the wave is written on the website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.217.3 (talk) 16:16, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The name is currently "The Wave 96.4 FM" because that's what it was named when I asked for help in stopping the ridiculous game of musical naming chairs that was going on with this article. The article was renamed 50 times over a period of 8½ months.

Let's look at the possibilities to see if there's any consensus. Ofcom actually has both "The Wave 96.4 FM" in their dropdown menu and "96.4 FM The Wave" in the station's individual listing — no help there. The station's own website uses "96.4FM The Wave", "96.4 The Wave", "Wave", "The Wave", and "96.4 The Wave Radio", depending on which page of the site you're on. In fact, more than one name is often used on the same page — no help there.

The benefit of the current name is that it at least is consistent with their logo, so the article is internally consistent, if nothing else. Mlaffs (talk) 16:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

TSA

Excuse my ignorance; what is a "TSA"? As in "One of the reasons for this is people within the TSA were getting confused between Swansea Sound and Sound Wave, thus incorrectly calling the FM station Swansea Sound Wave." in Early years subsection, and "The station's official Ofcom TSA is Swansea, Neath, Port Talbot and Llanelli." in Coverage area subsection. Could someone please define "TSA", writing out each word of the acronym (if it is an acronym) and follow it with the letters in brackets, or Wikilink the term (preferably both). Thanks, Daicaregos (talk) 18:37, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Transmitted Service Area —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.92.157 (talk) 19:50, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Picture 2010

Hello, is it possible to decrease the size of The Wave's new logo, which is featured on The Wave 96.4 FM article ? Jonny7003 (talk) 18:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Done. Welshleprechaun (talk) 20:05, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

{{fact}} tags outstanding

1. Do we have a source confirming the target demographic for both music and information? Can't find this in the refs. 2. Do we have a source confirming that the premises are temporary? One of the sources linked seems to suggest the studios were "purpose-built". An inside source tells me they have no intention of moving - amongst other things, they have some of the cheapest business rates anywhere in the county by a long way. 81.111.114.131 (talk) 03:13, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

They will be addressed and looked into. However, you have constantly removed material which is sufficient enough to be contained on this article. You've been told more than once about your unconstructive edits, by two editors. Jonny7003 (talk) 09:39, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

For your first point - yes, there is a source - Ofcom 96.4 The Wave. This is contained in the Music Policy section and in the refs section. Second point has been completed accordingly. Jonny7003 (talk) 09:44, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Polite notice: can you please stop breaking the page? At this stage, I am removing nothing, and suggest you provide some proof to the contrary before engaging in further disruption. 81.111.114.131 (talk) 10:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup

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Article name change

The Wave is no longer branded, or known as, "96.4 The Wave" like it was before! It's now just "The Wave" in everything. The name of the article should have the "96.4 FM" removed to reflect this (and it should have never been included in the first place because the station was never known as "The Wave 96.4 FM" on air!).

And Radio Wave 96.5 in Blackpool has been swallowed up by Greatest Hits Radio, so it's not as if the "96.4 FM" is needed to avoid confusion between the two stations! Kwesiben91 (talk) 03:51, 14 April 2023 (UTC)