Talk:History of tropical cyclone naming

Retirement

Each year, the names of particularly destructive storms (if there are any) are "retired" and new names are chosen to take their place. Add a new section History of tropical cyclone naming#Retirement.

And mention that e.g., here in Taiwan, highly remembered "Nari" is coming around again, apparently the last one was not big enough for the big wigs to retire -- which only makes them look dumb...

Jidanni 03:39, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about that last "makes them look dumb" point. But the article does need a section about retirement. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 18:28, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

New England blizzards?

There is no commonly-used scheme for naming blizzards in New England. Who is "Travelers Weather Service"? And why is their internatl naming convention mentioned in the article? This looks like spam, promoting a private weather company, and describing a storm naming scheme that is completely unknown to most New Enlanders. Unless someone provides supporting information, I will delete the mention of Travelers Weather Service and supposed names of New England blizzards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 18:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

The North Indian Ocean

... started to name cyclonic storms within the Bay of Bengal and Arabian Sea (see lede). Really? That is a rather unusual activity for an ocean :-) However, I don't know who actually does the naming, I did not change the text. KarlFrei (talk) 15:06, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Ive reworded it to clarify who names TCs in the NIO.Jason Rees (talk) 15:10, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

What does this mean? Can someone please rewrite this in English?

Controversy As the RSMC did not have the right to assign a name, it could lead to controversy. RSMC demonstrated the issue by Gerard (2005) and not criticized Mauritius for the late naming. The system was rapidly intensifying overnight and assessed by RSMC as a Severe Tropical Storm (50kt, 985hPa) at 00UTC. Nevertheless, Mauritius refused to give a name at night. When the name "Gerard" first appeared in bulletins at 06UTC, the storm was already at near hurricane strength (60kt, 975hPa). [1]

Similar discrepancy also happened in western north Pacific before the end of 1999, when JMA was the RSMC while JTWC had the naming right.

--Khajidha (talk) 11:41, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:History of tropical cyclone naming/GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hurricanehink (talk · contribs) 15:12, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Seeing as I have five GAN's up now, I might as well review one.

• "The system currently used provides" - so as to avoid a Garden path sentence, why not say "the system currently in place provides..."? Better flow then. Ditto with later in the article
  • Done.Jason Rees (talk) 21:56, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
• "Formal naming schemes have subsequently been introduced for the North and South Atlantic, Eastern, Central, Western and Southern Pacific basins as well as the Australian region and Indian Ocean." - seeing as you're talking about all of the TC basins, why not say - "Formal naming schemes have subsequently been introduced for all of the major tropical cyclone basins." If you want to say what they are, then say "tropical cyclone basins, which are the North and South Atlantic....."
  • Done.Jason Rees (talk) 21:56, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
• "regarding forecasts, watches, and warnings." - I notice here you use the oxford comma, but earlier in the article you don't. Make sure you're consistent.
  • Done.Jason Rees (talk) 21:56, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
• "Since the systems can last a week or longer and more than one can be occurring in the same basin at the same time" - this just feels clunky. Try "Due to the potential for longevity and multiple concurrent storms, the names..." Ditto later
  • Done.Jason Rees (talk) 21:56, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
• "Names are assigned in order from predetermined lists with one, three, or ten-minute sustained wind speeds of more than 65 km/h (40 mph) depending on which basin it originates in." - this seems to be covering two different ideas. You should say something like "are assigned... once storms reach one, three, or ten-minute..." Otherwise it's not clear what one has to do with the other. Ditto with the usage later.
  • Done.Jason Rees (talk) 16:52, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
• Link retirement in the lead? IDK
  • I dont think we link to sections later in the article.
• "with systems named after places or things they hit before the formal start of naming" - could you provide an example? For places, you could cite NHC using 1900 Galveston hurricane, for example. I think the Hispanic name day system (Hurricane San Felipe) is a great example. That seems to be a glaring omission from the article, but it shouldn't be hard to add. Also, I'm not the biggest fan of the term "things". I'm guessing you don't mean the Phonetic alphabet, as you use that later, so I'm not sure what you mean by "things".
  • Added two examples. Do they need a specific source? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:51, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
• You have an image of Typhoon Cobra, but you don't talk about it in the prose. How come?
  • I am guessing this may be the reason. I am not sure how to word it in the article, though.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:41, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
    • The reason is because the specific system itself doesnt need to be spoken about, but the system used to talk about it does and is mentioned.Jason Rees (talk) 11:05, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
• "before the system was made official before the start of the next season" - don't use "before" twice
  • Changed to "until" in the previous instance. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:51, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
• "However, as Hurricanes Carol, Edna, and Hazel affected the populated Northeastern United States, controversy raged with several protests over the use of women’s names as it was felt to be ungentlemanly and or insulting to womenhood.[9][12][13] However, letters were subsequently received that overwhelmingly supported the practise, with forecasters claiming that 99% of correspondence received in the Miami Weather Bureau supported the use of women’s names for hurricanes." - don't start back to back sentences with "however".
  • Took out the last "however".Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:41, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
• When you're talking about JTWC starting up, you say "which subsequently started naming the systems for the Western Pacific basin". You should say something like "which continued naming systems..." as WPAC naming was in place for several years before.
  • Took up that suggestion.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:41, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
• "Eventually it was decided to throw names from all over the South Pacific into a pot at a training course, where each course member" - too colloquial. Also, what were the members? Different nations?
  • Fixed the colloquialism. Don't have enough info for the rest. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:41, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
• Regarding NIO - [2] - IMD began naming in 2004 after the monsoon season ended. Not sure if that's too trivial, but it explains why a storm earlier that year wasn't named.

I don't think its needed since the section explains that the naming started in September and that the lists were not completed until May. You never know one or both of the systems may have caused India to submit the names.Jason Rees (talk) 22:32, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

• You have two "citations needed" in the "New millennium" section
  • I feel that the fact covered by the first CN is one of those that provides an end to the story of a significant event in terms of TC Naming in that region. However, there is currently not a reliable source for this fact - i hope to have one after the WMO committee for the region meet in September. The second was awaiting either a reliable source that states Bapo and Cari were both used this year or Steve Young's Southern Hemisphere TC Summary which is published next month, however, i think Jeff Masters can be used here.Jason Rees (talk) 19:08, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
• You should link the article for Cyclone Viyaru somewhere around where you mention it
  • Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:51, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
• "However, standards vary from basin to basin, with some tropical depressions named in the Western Pacific, while tropical cyclones have to have a significant amount of gale-force winds occurring around the center before they are named within the Southern Hemisphere.[citation needed][60][78]" - fix citation needed.
  • Changed to "Southwest Indian Basin", since a) the first source seems to support this and b) articles on other southern hemisphere cyclones don't appear to agree. If a source is found that the same principle applies elsewhere we can re-rewrite it, I think.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:41, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
    • I think the principle has been recently changed for Aus/SPAC to indicate the presence of gale force winds near the centre that are likely to continue. As a result i will change it back to the SHEM. I am still looking for a decent source for Tropical Depression naming.Jason Rees (talk) 11:05, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

All in all a good article, but some work needs to be done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:12, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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The retirement section I wrote is a stop-gap, which needs to be significantly expanded. Otherwise, B-Class, close to GA. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 06:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC) Done Jason Rees (talk) 22:40, 7 September 2008 (UTC) Um, no. It needs to be bigger. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 00:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

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