Talk:History of Ethiopia/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Dʿmt

The Dʿmt section of Antiquity doesn't have anything to do with D'mt itself. It just goes on about the name of Ethiopia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmperorOfSiberia (talk • contribs) 18:29, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Axum

What has the Korean War to do with the Axumit kingdom. Cancel this Korean linkage. --Altaye (talk) 14:09, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

"[T]his was the last time Ethiopian armies left Africa until the 20th century when several units participated in the Korean War." You're right, nothing to do directly with Axum, but the statement is clear. (It could use a source though.) -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:58, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Why shouldn't some of this be in the article?

Copying deleted recently added material here: Under his reign, beginning in the 1880s, Menelik set off from the central province of [[Shoa]], to subjugate and incorporate 'the lands and people of the South, East and West into an empire'.<ref>{{cite journal |author=John Young |title=Regionalism and Democracy in Ethiopia |journal=Third World Quarterly |volume=19 |issue=2 |year=1998 |page=192 |jstor=3993156 |doi=10.1080/01436599814415}}</ref> The people incorporated were the western Oromo (non Shoan Oromo), Sidama, Gurage, Wolayta and other groups.<ref>International Crisis Group, "Ethnic Federalism and its Discontents". Issue 153 of ICG Africa report (4 September 2009) p. 2.</ref> He began expanding his kingdom to the south and east, expanding into areas that had never been under his rule, resulting in the borders of Ethiopia of today. He did this with the help of [[Ras Gobena]]'s Shewan Oromo militia.<ref>{{cite journal |title=Great Britain and Ethiopia 1897–1910: Competition for Empire |author=Edward C. Keefer |journal=International Journal of African Studies |volume=6 |issue=3 |year=1973 |page=470 |jstor=216612}}</ref> During the conquet of the Oromo, the Ethiopian Army carried mass atrocities against the Oromo population including mass mutiliation, mass killings and large scale slavery.<ref>Conquest, Tyranny, and Ethnocide against the Oromo: A Historical Assessment of Human Rights Conditions in Ethiopia, ca. 1880s–2002 by Mohammed Hassen, Northeast African Studies Volume 9, Number 3, 2002 (New Series)</ref><ref>Genocidal violence in the making of nation and state in Ethiopia by Mekuria Bulcha, African Sociological Review</ref><ref>Conquest, Tyranny, and Ethnocide against the Oromo: A Historical Assessment of Human Rights Conditions in Ethiopia, ca. 1880s–2002 by Mohammed Hassen, Northeast African Studies Volume 9, Number 3, 2002 (New Series)</ref> Some estimates for the number of people killed as a result of the conquest go into the millions.<ref>A. K. Bulatovich Ethiopia Through Russian Eyes: Country in Transition, 1896-1898, translated by Richard Seltzer, 2000</ref><ref>Conquest, Tyranny, and Ethnocide against the Oromo: A Historical Assessment of Human Rights Conditions in Ethiopia, ca. 1880s–2002 by Mohammed Hassen, Northeast African Studies Volume 9, Number 3, 2002 (New Series)</ref><ref>Power and Powerlessness in Contemporary Ethiopia by Alemayehu Kumsa, Charles University in Prague</ref> Large scale atrocities were also comitted against the [[Dizi people]] and the people of the Kaficho kingdom.<ref>Power and Powerlessness in Contemporary Ethiopia by Alemayehu Kumsa, Charles University in Prague</ref><ref>Haberland, "Amharic Manuscript", pp. 241f</ref>

Til says this is " one-sided, not neutral language, violates WP:NPOV)". The sources look ok, I don't see at first glance non-neutral language, and if it is one-sided then why not add other perspectives? It certainly appears that there is material here that should be in this article. Dougweller (talk) 19:12, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

It should definitely be in there, in one form or another. Shouldn't the article explain how things got from here to there? -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:47, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

It certainly has a discernible point of view, I cannot believe that many were killed because I have never heard or read this in most sources. This seems like an extreme and exaggerated picture, possibly with sources partial to one side of the conflict. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 21:03, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Come on Til, you know what to do now. Check the sources, look for other sources, challenge some if they fail our criteria, find new ones with other viewpoints. Dougweller (talk) 10:07, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I know, and I have enough important projects now! There are obviously plenty of editors more knowledgeable than I about this particular period, who have written most of the content in this article... some of them will surely see this new one-sided account before long, find better sources, and fix the detectable point-of-view it is written from. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 15:30, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

That's probably the best thing to do Til, thanks. The sources look pretty solid, eg Northeast African Studies and assuming they were reported correctly than someone needs to find other similar sources with a different perspective. Dougweller (talk) 16:39, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Welwel (Ual Ual), 1934

The ignition of th e second Italio-Ethiopian War was the incident at Welwel. It should be added.64.53.191.77 (talk) 23:38, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

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