Talk:History of Canada/GA1

What Wikipedia Should be

If you look at the first page, you get no clue about the real history of Canada. The French Explorer Jacques Cartier is not there, the French Colony and Champlain are not there. The many British invasions of Canada are not there. The British invasion of Canada in 1759 is not there. The Treaty of 1783 that defines the border of Modern Canada is not there, The fact that the British Lost in America against the French in the American Revolution is not there. The fact that English Canada begins with the expulsion of Royalists from the USA is not there.

Of course the British were not the founding nation of Canada, they simply invaded Canada, they also lost to the French in America, but you would not learn this from this first page. What you get are the British/Canadians many lies. You can thank Moxy for this. They don't want you to know what really happened.

Here is what you get on the first page: French and British arrived together in a Canada that was never french, nothing happened and suddenly France simply gave up and Canada was born by the British winning and without any wars. France never defeated the British during the revolution. The end.

This is not an article worthy of Wikipedia. Moxy threatens me after he removes those facts 3 times and he wants to block me. This is not what Wikipedia should be. Wikipedia is about American freedom, not Canadian censorship. Wikipedia should not be about publishing lies. What you get is Moxy censorship. One editor protecting lies on a Wikipedia page. Canada wants to lie because, in a Monarchy, that is what you have to do. You cannot tell what really happened. As for the discussion, Moxy deletes but never argues. Because of course, he can't. And he knows it.EMvague (talk) 01:20, 23 June 2016 (UTC) -Jacob west smith

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Violation of Wikipedia Policies on point of view and removal of facts

Factuals and importants elements cannot be remove from a wikipedia page. I will contact the Wikipedia administrator if you continue to erase thoses facts. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Not a place for misleading people.

1- Jacques Cartier went to the St-Laurence River and called it Canada in 1534 (The foundation of Canada) 2- Canada was invaded by the British in 1759 (The invasion of Canada) 3- The British lost in America against France and the USA in 1781 (The British losing in America) 4- All the territory of New France was lost by the British in 1783. (The British losing New France Territory) 5- The word Canadien was used historically to descibe french people in the St-Laurence Settlement 6- The foundation of British Canada as a Monarchy by Royalists losing to the American in 1781.

What other facts could be more important than those 6 ?

If you continue to remove those facts. I will ask Wikipedia administrator to lock this page.

The paragraph that was removed contained misleading element about the first Treaty of Paris of 1763 that was replaced by the second treaty of Paris in 1783.

Removing factuals and importants elements is contrary to Wikipedia Policy. Wikipedia do not autorized election by editors to remove importants facts. Your opinion is not a valid reason when you want to remove importants facts.

You can edit the text to make it better. You can also add whatever you want. I will not delete it unless it is misleading. But you cannot remove important facts. EMvague (talk) 00:51, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Nikkimaria (talk) 13:46, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey Moxy! I'll be reviewing this article for potential GA status, and my review should be posted shortly. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 13:46, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Writing and formatting

• Don't include "th" in dates

 Done..i think only saw one..unless you mean the prime minister as-well like.. 10th 12th etc.. Moxy (talk) 03:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

For prime ministers, see the note below about numbers under 10. I think you might've also missed a few dates in References

LOL that Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser does not like me changing the th ...:( ...LOL..also funny is that one version cahnges it to date and the other to year ..keeps getting changed LOL Moxy (talk) 03:03, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Still missed some in References...

• You should consistently use Canadian spelling - for example, you have both "defense" and "defence"
• Be consistent in the way you write directions - north east vs north-east vs northeast and similar directions
• "8000 before the Common Era BCE" - BCE should be in parentheses

 Done..Moxy (talk)

Are you sure? It's in quotation marks now, which doesn't fix the problem

Removed the quotes and added the parentheses. Is that what you ment. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 17:01, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• Don't repeat the same wikilinks more than once or twice, especially not in close proximity
• mdashes shouldn't be spaced, and ndashes are generally used for date and page ranges - see WP:DASH
• "The majority of population groups during the Archaic periods were still highly mobile hunter-gatherers; but now individual groups started to focus on resources available to them locally, thus with the passage of time there is a pattern of increasing regional generalization like, the Paleo-Arctic, Plano and Maritime Archaic traditions" - run-on sentence

 Done .."The majority of population groups during the Archaic periods were still highly mobile hunter-gatherers. However individual groups started to focus on resources available to them locally, thus with the passage of time there is a pattern of increasing regional generalization (i.e: Paleo-Arctic, Plano and Maritime Archaic traditions)"

• The first few paragraphs of Post-Archaic periods are confusing to non-expert readers, and should be reworded to be more accessible
• "tidewater" should be capitalized and probably linked

 Done..Moxy (talk) 03:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• Avoid passive voice and indirect constructions
• "sagas" should be capitalized

 Done..Moxy (talk) 03:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Got one, missed one

Got the second one. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 17:01, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• The article needs some general copy-editing for grammar and clarity
• "Though during the American Revolution there was some sympathy for the American cause among the Canadiens and the New Englanders in Nova Scotia, neither parties joined the rebels, although several hundred individuals joined the revolutionary cause" - run-on sentence

 Done..Moxy (talk) 03:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• "With invasions imminent as reported by "loyalist" like Laura Secord[83] and Isaac Brock's foresight meant that Canada was not unprepared for the battles" - I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, could you reword/clarify?

 Done was simply removed..the section explains it better - o need for this.Moxy (talk) 03:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

You should mention Brock and possibly Secord in that section, though, for completeness

 Done The war was overseen by Gen Brock with the assistance of loyalist informants like Laura Secord. here...Moxy (talk) 05:08, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

• Numbers under 10 should be spelled out (ex. "1st" -> "first"

• Fixed...I think. There were only two cases of this that I found, both involving Prime Ministers. If this is counter-productive, just revert :)--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 15:55, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Are you crazy y would we revert you LOL...thank for the helpMoxy (talk) 16:02, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• "The Mounties first large scale mission was to suppress the stated desire for independence by Manitoba's Métis, a mixed blood people originating in the mid-17th century when First Nation married European settlers" - reword for clarity

Changed the Métis sentence to remove the "married" bit. It now reads "a mixed blood people of joint First Nations and European descent who originated in the mid-17th century." Hope that's OK. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 17:01, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• Be consistent in using World War I(I) vs First/Second World War

 Done...i think..was only 2Moxy (talk) 17:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• "most of 1921 to 1948" - this phrasing suggests that he became PM partway through 1921 and remained PM until 1948, when in fact he was PM for most of that period

-- how is this The Liberals regained their influence after the war under the leadership of William Mackenzie King, who served as prime minister with three separate terms between 1921 to 1949.Moxy (talk) 03:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Replace "to" with "and" and you've got a deal ;-)

 Done... here...Moxy (talk) 05:16, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

 Done reworded.Moxy (talk) 03:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• "In 1976 the Parti Québécois was elected to power in Quebec, with a nationalist vision that included securing French linguistic rights in the province and the pursuit of some form of sovereignty for Quebec, leading to the 1980 referendum in Quebec on the question of sovereignty-association, which was turned down by 59% of the voters" - run-on sentence

 Done...here..Moxy (talk) 05:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

• Don't link terms as commonplace as 20th century

 Done Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 17:01, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Accuracy and verifiability

Self note copy of article with constant ref numbers as mentioned bellow (ref moving around now)

• Refs 30 and 111 are dead links. Ref 132 timed out, but that may be temporary (or just my connection)

 Done.Moxy (talk) 22:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

• Some of the footnotes have strange artifacts outside of the linked text. For example, at the end of War of 1812: "[86]pp. 254–255"

This are the page numbers for the referances..in this style because we use the same ref more the a few times.Moxy (talk) 22:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I see. You might try a shortened ref-bibliography form, as described in section 2 of WP:CITEX

• "Over centuries, elements of Aboriginal, French, British and more recent immigrant customs have combined to form a Canadian culture. Canada has also been strongly influenced by that of its linguistic, geographic and economic neighbour, the United States" - normally, as this is in the lead it needn't be sourced. However, since the information is not explicitly included in the article...actually, it really should be included in the article text, but if it's not then it must be sourced

Could you expand on this...as the article mentions borders, joint military ventures, ongoing relations with the United States..or do you mean the culture because we do talk alot about the different immigrants that come to Canada over the years.Moxy (talk) 22:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Is that what you meant by that? The way I read it was in regards to art and popular culture or cultural attitudes. If the above was your meaning, you may wish to rephrase. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:12, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• "New France was not fully restored to French rule until the 1632 Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye" - potentially controversial, so should be sourced

 Done,,Moxy (talk) 23:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but Google Books is not the real publisher of that source

 Done Opps..fixed ...here will fix volume thing with all others soon .Moxy (talk) 05:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

• "signaled the end of Britain's struggle to suppress the American Revolution" - likewise, should be sourced

 Done

• "Wilfrid Laurier the 7th Prime Minister of Canada felt Canada was on the verge of becoming a world power, and declared that the 20th century would "belong to Canada"." - source?
• "By the end of the war, Canada had, temporarily at least, become a significant military power" - source?

 Done..removed no need to say this any was..i do have a ref it you think its worth mentioning.Moxy (talk) 05:25, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• "Prosperity returned to Canada during the Second World War and continued in the proceeding years. With consecutive Liberal governments, national policies increasingly turned to social welfare" - source?

 Done reworded and sourced.Moxy (talk) 23:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

References

Self note copy of article with constant ref numbers as mentioned bellow (ref moving around now)

• Generally speaking, formatting should be more consistent
• 6: rm double period and the part about registered trademark; Elsevier is the publisher
• If you're going to say "Digitized online by Google Books" for one such source, you need to say so for all of them

 Done..removed..easier that way and i see there no need for it .Moxy (talk) 03:54, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• If you're going to include publisher location for some sources, you should include it for all of them
• Be consistent in whether authors are listed last name or first name first. Don't italicize author names

Ok will do ..but the italicize of author names is done by the individual cite templates.Moxy (talk) 23:15, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

No it doesn't - if you look at the affected refs (for example, <ref name=Goebel>{{cite web| title=The Late Pleistocene Dispersal of Modern Humans in the Americas| work=Ted Goebel, et al| url=http://www.centerfirstamericans.com/cfsa-publications/Science2008.pdf| format=Verbal tutorial possible| publisher=The Center for the Study of First Americans | format=PDF| year=2008| doi=10.1126/science.1153569| accessdate=2010-02-05}}</ref>), there is no "author" parameter - the author is listed incorrectly, in this case as the work

• Remove doubled periods and commas
• Be consistent in how editions are listed
• 26: missing information

 Done - depended on the vast herds of bison to supply food and many of their other needs. ..Moxy (talk) 06:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

• 33: this is a student-created site, and is thus not a reliable source

 Done - replaced - is thought non-existent in Inuit society before the introduction of the Canadian legal system....Moxy (talk) 06:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

• What makes ref 52 a reliable source?

 Done - replaced (with a change in text) ...Moxy (talk) 06:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

• Instead of using encyclopedia.com, cite the original source

 Done - I think ..Moxy (talk) 06:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

• Include the publisher for all sources
• What makes refs 66 or 68 or 73 or 148 or 164 reliable sources?

66  Done - After Queen Anne's War, Nova Scotia, other than Cape Breton, was ceded to the British by the Treaty of Utrecht as well as the Hudson Bay territory conquered by France in the late 17th century.

68  Done - led by William Pepperrell mounted an expedition of 90 vessels and 4,000 men against Louisbourg in 1745.

73  Done - Treaty of Paris (1763), France ceded almost all of its territory in mainland North America. (from Canada Article)

148  Done - replaced (with a change in text could be better) .

164  Done - was simply removed (there was 2 of them)-- Here the one left --> In July 2010 the largest purchase in Canadian military history, totaling C$9 billion for the acquisition of 65 F-35 fighters was announced by the federal government...Moxy (talk) 06:25, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Further reading and External links

• "died by 1930" -> "died before 1930" or "in 1930 or earlier" as applicable
• Use consistent formatting, and include publisher for all entries
• Don't put Canadawiki in Further reading (potentially in External links)
• Don't duplicate cited sources in either section

Further reading has been removed..not sure y ity keeps getting added back..i cant find any of the books online or at mt old university.Moxy (talk) 04:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Broad

• This article's emphasis is political and social history. Perhaps add some discussion of important cultural developments? Adoption of "O Canada", Group of Seven, other cultural events or groups?
• Could use a couple more sentences each for the Great Depression and the Second World War. Also, could mention the rise of socialism / anti-communist reactionism following the First World War

 Done-- half done The 1922 War Office report listed approximately 67,000 killed and 173,000 wounded during the war, this numbers excludes civilian deaths in war time incidents like the Halifax Explosion.
The period also saw the rise of a small Communist Party of Canada, who opposed Canada's entry into Second World War and was banned under the Defence of Canada Regulations of the War Measures Act in 1940.
Axis U-boats operated in Canadian and Newfoundland waters throughout the war, sinking many naval and merchant vessels. The Canadian mainland was also attacked when the Japanese submarine I-26 shelled the Estevan Point lighthouse on Vancouver Island on June 20, 1942. The Conscription Crisis of 1944 had a major effect on unity between French and English-speaking Canadians, though was not as politically intrusive as that of the First World War...Moxy (talk) 05:09, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• Should mention the influx of Chinese immigrants during the BC boom years, and the related completion of a trans-Canada railway

Neutrality

• "the only people who really lost were the Natives who fought for the British and lost their military power, their lands in the United States, and their access to prime fur trade areas" - I understand what you're trying to say, but "the only people who really lost" is not neutrally worded

 Done removed all together ..Moxy (talk) 05:23, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• Be sure to maintain an encyclopedic tone at all times

Stability

No issues noted

Images

• Captions should also be grammatically correct
• Don't sandwich text between images

 Done..from what i see with a 52 inch screen :)..Moxy (talk) 02:39, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• " "loyalist" Laura Secord" in text vs "loyalist "Laura Secord" " in caption - be consistent. Also, his Wikipedia article indicates that FitzGibbon was a lieutenant, not a general - which is correct?

 Done..was Lieutenant my fault..Moxy (talk) 02:39, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• From what I can tell from a Google search, Lorne Kidd Smith did not die until at least 1940 - therefore, PD-art may not apply to the Secord painting

Say "Credit: Library and Archives Canada, Acc. No. 1997-229-2 Copyright: Expired (1920)Moxy (talk) 02:39, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

The licensing tag will then probably need to be replaced - the current one says "This applies to the United States, Australia, the European Union and those countries with a copyright term of life of the author plus 70 years" (emphasis in original), so if the author did not die more than 70 years ago then this tag does not apply. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:15, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• Double-check licensing on Fort-victoria.jpeg

 Done,,,cant find it .. Image replaced with File:JaMAC.jpg..Moxy (talk) 02:39, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• File:Nwmp lancer.jpg - source link is dead

 Done,,cant fix it...replaced with File:British columbia 1896.jpg..Moxy (talk) 02:39, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. With a corporation listed as the author, you can't prove that the creator of the image died before 1940 - making that licensing tag questionable.

Ok what about this one File:North-western-territory.png??Moxy (talk) 04:26, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Source link for that one is dead.

 Done..File:Pacific-Northwest.jpg..Moxy (talk) 19:09, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

• Source link for AvroArrow1.jpeg is dead

 Done - fixed File:AvroArrow1.jpg-->- CF Photo ..link page.Moxy (talk) 01:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• File:Canada flag halifax 9 -04.JPG - lacking source information

 Done --simply replaced with File:Flag-of-Canada-Vanier-Park.jpg.Moxy (talk) 01:30, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

• Peace Arch image could be removed, as it doesn't add very much to the article

 Done - removed and replaced with File:Sundown ceremony at Kandahar Air Field, Afghanistan, July 17, 2009.jpg..Moxy (talk) 01:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

On going comments

Thank you Nikkimaria..there is alot here to fixup..so i guess i will work on them one by one.although Canadian vs Americans spelling i will have a problem with this. So i guess this could take me some time to do..i would guess a month or so. Moxy (talk) 22:19, 23 August 2010 (UTC)!!!!

Okay. In that case, I'm going to go ahead and put this on hold, with the expectation of a extended month-long hold. Sound good? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:15, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good ...just <s> when concern is all ok if you like..PS i need help with Canadian spelling..I am Canadian but grew up on Air Forces bases around the world so went to Expatriate American schools...then went to University in Britan..so i will ask for help here from others on Canadian english .Moxy (talk) 04:36, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the Peer Review tool will point out some of them (although it does miss the subtleties of Canadian English, since it's geared towards US/UK). You can try that, but you'll probably still need help for what it misses. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:46, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Spelling using a Canadian English dictionary:

Article	Text editor suggestion	WordWeb suggestion
civilisations	civilizations	Does not define either one as Canadian/UK/US
archeological	archaeological	archaeological
centered	centred	centred
center	center	centre
Defensive	Defencive	Defensive, the C version is not listedA
trenchwork	trench work	Not listed as one word but as two
traveled	travelled	travelled
practice	practise	Does not define either one as Canadian/UK/US
signaled	signalled	signalled
favorable	favourable	favorable
fiascos	fiascoes	Does not define either one as Canadian/UK/US
favored	favoured	favoured
totaling	totalling	totalling

• ^A The sentence needs re-writing I think. It reads "Defensive Salish trenchwork defences" Probably one of them should go.

Question

Well is there anything that I can do now? My internet was down for a while so I was unable to help out :)--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 01:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, references need to be standardized, if you've got a lot of time on your hands ;-) Nikkimaria (talk) 02:28, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

What's wrong with the citations? I'm blind here when it comes to that. I'll try to fix it thought.--White Shadows ^{Nobody said it was easy} 02:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Lots of inconsistencies of all kinds - editions, doubled punctuation, misplaced information...If you'd rather, you can take a stab at copy-editing (although I know that's not your strong suit) or at tone. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:13, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Re -ice vs -ise spelling: see Oxford spelling for info. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:27, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

The hard ones for me are...

1. You should consistently use Canadian spelling - for example, you have both "defense" and "defence"
2. The article needs some general copy-editing for grammar and clarity
3. Be consistent in the way you write directions - north east vs north-east vs northeast and similar directions
4. Avoid passive voice and indirect constructions....Moxy (talk) 04:35, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

...Moxy

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