Talk:Historic Hotels of America/Draft articles

This was a list of articles that have been moved to drafts in accordance with the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1036#Proposal 2. Struck-through entries have been independently sourced and moved back to article space. If you improve a draft and move it to mainspace, feel free to strike out the corresponding entry. (Mainspace links showing more definitively which have been restored, now also included. --Doncram (talk) 01:36, 22 December 2020 (UTC)) And seven deleted draft ones restored to draft again. --Doncram (talk) 03:19, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

about deletions

I don't see any point in deleting a draft that might become an article. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 03:58, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Draft:NOPSI New Orleans was twice deleted by "user:Liz", November 2020 and July 2022. What shows when go to create article there:

• 18:35, 21 July 2022 Liz talk contribs deleted page Draft:NOPSI New Orleans (G13: Abandoned draft or AfC submission – If you wish to retrieve it, please see WP:REFUND/G13)
• 23:33, 22 November 2020 Graeme Bartlett talk contribs undeleted page Draft:NOPSI New Orleans (8 revisions) (requested by Doncram)
• 00:37, 22 November 2020 Liz talk contribs deleted page Draft:NOPSI New Orleans (G13 -Candidates for speedy deletion as abandoned drafts or AfC submissions)

User:Deor, as an admin with some familiarity here, could you possibly please restore/refund Draft:NOPSI New Orleans (current HHA) and also Draft:Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky) (former HHA)? Both were twice deleted by User:Liz, with the second time being immediately after they had been restored by my requests at wp:Refund, for reasoning I can't fathom. (Although time-stamps above would make more sense if Liz's 2nd deletion was at 00:37 on 23 November rather than 22 November... i suppose those are their local times not GMT.) sincerely, --Doncram (talk,contribs) 20:40, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

@Doncram: I don't know what your second sentence is supposed to mean, since both pairs of deletions by Liz (more them 11⁄2 years apart) were more than six months after either draft had been edited and were thus proper WP:G13 speedy deletions. I'll restore the drafts again, but if you have no intention of improving them and submitting them to AfD, I don't really see the point. I'll be putting the drafts on my watchlist to see what happens. Deor (talk) 23:09, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Oh, i see i was interpreting the timestamps wrong. I thot it was in chrono order but with mistake somehow in the last two of three items. Makes sense now as in reverse chrono. Doncram (talk,contribs) 02:22, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

[list below being re-organized by state --Doncram (talk) 18:33, 29 April 2021 (UTC)]

As of May 24, 2021, about 29 of 53 remain in Draftspace; about 24 have been promoted. Goes towards supporting expected notability of all. --Doncram (talk) 02:26, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

As of 09 November 2021, 28 have been restored to mainspace, and one (Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky) is no longer HHA-listed. --Doncram (talk) 15:32, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

As of January 2022, only 21 of 53 have not been resolved, basically 32 have been restored, either as separate articles or as sections elsewhere or similar. --Doncram (talk) 22:09, 11 January 2022 (UTC) --23:44, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

As of June 2022, more than 2/3 done, only 17 of 53 remain.--Doncram (talk) 23:42, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

As of July 22, 2022, two more recently promoted, so 15 or fewer remain. NOPSI draft and perhaps another one or two recently deleted, unhelpfully. --Doncram (talk) 16:02, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

13 remain, less than 25% of 53.--Doncram (talk) 14:13, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

10 remain, less than 20% [if Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky) considered resolved due to it no longer being HHA]. --Doncram (talk) 08:54, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

10 remain, less than 20% [even including Campbell House as one of the 10, after NOPSI moved to mainspace]. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 18:02, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Alphabetical by state (Alabama to Wisconsin)

There were 53 in total. 47/53 done

not done as of 5/24/2023

1. Draft:The Wigwam (Litchfield Park, Arizona); The Wigwam (Litchfield Park, Arizona)
2. Draft:Tubac Golf Resort and Spa; Tubac Golf Resort and Spa, Tubac, Arizona
3. Draft:Terrace Hotel (Lakeland, Florida); Terrace Hotel (Lakeland, Florida)
4. Draft:Lodge at Wakulla Springs; Lodge at Wakulla Springs, Wakulla Springs, Florida
5. Draft:Silver Birches (hotel); Silver Birches (hotel), Pennsylvania. Draft was deleted by User:Liz, who also tried deleting others. [List of sources was developed here, then moved to restored Draft, in January 2022.]
6. Draft:Newport Beach Hotel & Suites; Newport Beach Hotel & Suites, Middleton, Rhode Island

done as of 5/23/2023

1. Draft:Admiral Hotel (Mobile, Alabama); Admiral Hotel (Mobile, Alabama) (later developed somewhat by Doncram). Developed by User:Bkissin, User:LordDewi and User:MB, and promoted by Bkissin, thanks! --Doncram (talk) 02:17, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
2. Draft:Hacienda Del Sol Guest Ranch Resort; Hacienda Del Sol Guest Ranch Resort (expanded 15 May 2020 by User:Cbl62, restored by them to mainspace 15 May 2020). In or near Tucson, Arizona.
3. Draft:Royal Palms Resort and Spa; Royal Palms Resort and Spa, Phoenix, Arizona
4. Draft:White Stallion Ranch; White Stallion Ranch, in or near Tucson, Arizona
5. Draft:Stonepine Estate; Stonepine Estate, Carmel Valley near Carmel, California
6. Draft:Napa River Inn; Napa River Inn, California. In mainspace before July 22, 2022.
7. Draft:Hotel Constance Pasadena; Hotel Constance Pasadena (expanded 15 May 2020 by User:Cbl62, restored to mainspace by them 15 May 2020)
8. Draft:Ojai Valley Inn; Ojai Valley Inn (developed 12 May by User:Cbl62, restored to mainspace by User:Deor 12 May, although not leaving behind redirect as could be done --doncram) California
9. Draft:Hotel Whitcomb; Hotel Whitcomb (expanded 15 May 2020 by User:Cbl62, restored to mainspace by them 15 May 2020), San Francisco, California
10. Draft:Hotel La Rose; Hotel La Rose, Santa Rosa, California Was getting multiple sources, turned out to be separately nrhp-list, too.--Doncram (talk) 14:13, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
11. Draft:La Valencia Hotel; La Valencia Hotel, La Jolla, California; accepted and developed by User:Bkissin and User:MB, thanks!
12. Draft:Norwich Inn; Norwich Inn, Norwich, Connecticut
13. Draft:Inn at Montchanin Village; Inn at Montchanin Village (developed 15 October by User:Bkissin & restored to mainspace by them 15 October 2020), Montchanin, Delaware
14. Draft:Casa Faena; Casa Faena (developed by User:Doncram, submitted to AFC 19 December, was eventually accepted), Miami Beach, Florida
15. Draft:National Hotel (Miami Beach, Florida); National Hotel (Miami Beach, Florida)
16. Draft:Belleview Inn; Belleview Inn, Florida. Moved back to mainspace, but then merged to Belleview-Biltmore Hotel article (pre-existing from 2006) which covers the topic. Belleview Inn now redirects to there, which has the term bolded.--Doncram (talk) 23:44, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
17. Draft:Greystone Hotel; Greystone Miami Beach, Florida
18. Draft:Partridge Inn; Partridge Inn, Augusta, Georgia. Accepted by User:CNMall41, thanks! --Doncram (talk) 02:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
19. Draft:River Street Inn; River Street Inn New article created by another editor; material merged. --Doncram (talk) 23:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC) Savannah, Georgia. Article needs renaming from "124 East Bay Street".
20. Draft:The Cotton Sail Hotel; The Cotton Sail Hotel, Savannah, Georgia, a accepted 5/2022
21. Draft:The DeSoto; The DeSoto (developed 23 May by User:Bubba73 & restored to mainspace by them 23 May 2020), Savannah, Georgia
22. Draft:Hilton Orrington/Evanston; Hilton Orrington/Evanston, Evanston, Illinois Was AFC-approved at Hilton Orrington, when want it at title which includes a slash (/) character. Requested move at wp:RM, which was done.
23. Draft:The Sherman (Batesville, Indiana); The Sherman (Batesville, Indiana) (developed somewhat 23 November by user:Doncram) AFC accepted 2021-04. --Doncram (talk) 23:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC) Batesville, Indiana
24. Draft:Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky); Campbell House (Lexington, Kentucky) No longer HHA-listed, in 2021.
25. Draft:NOPSI New Orleans; NOPSI New Orleans, New Orleans, Louisiana. Promoted.
26. Draft:Portland Regency Hotel & Spa; Portland Regency Hotel & Spa (developed 11 May by User:Namiba & restored by them to mainspace 11 May 2020), Portland, Maine
27. Draft:Hotel Brexton; Hotel Brexton, Baltimore, Maryland. Modified by JSwift49 and Bkissin in May 2023 and promoted by Bkissin
28. Draft:Concord's Colonial Inn; Concord's Colonial Inn, Concord, Massachusetts (developed by User:Seasider53 on August 21)
29. Draft:Kendall Hotel; Kendall Hotel, Cambridge, Massachusetts. Good source found by Bkissin; to mainspace July 22, 2022.
30. Draft:The Saint Paul Hotel; The Saint Paul Hotel, Minnesota. Gangster haven. submitted by Bkissin. Developed out greatly by User:MB, even for DYK. --Doncram (talk) 02:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
31. Draft:Omni Bretton Arms Inn; Omni Bretton Arms Inn (material merged 15 December into Mount_Washington_Hotel#Omni_Bretton_Arms_Inn by User:Doncram, draft properly moved to mainspace to hold edit history, allow for re-separation), New Hampshire
32. Draft:The Queensbury Hotel; The Queensbury Hotel, Glens Falls, New York (developed mostly by Doncram, restored by Bkissin to mainspace 29 April 2021) TURNS OUT TO HAVE BEEN NRHP-LISTED in 2018, though this was not detectable by websearching. NRHP doc not available at NPS or NARA.
33. Draft:Jefferson Clinton Hotel; Jefferson Clinton Hotel, Syracuse, New York
34. Draft:Hotel Skyler; Hotel Skyler (expanded 20 October by User:Bkissin & restored by them to mainspace 20 October 2020; further developed somewhat by User:Doncram and User:MB) Syracuse, New York
35. Draft:Graylyn Estate (Winston-Salem, North Carolina); Graylyn Estate (Winston-Salem, North Carolina) (restored to mainspace but merged to Graylyn, which is fine IMO -doncram)
36. Draft:Atherton Hotel at Oklahoma State University; Atherton Hotel at Oklahoma State University (expanded 19 Nov 2020 by User:Doncram, submitted to AFC, no review yet as of 21 Dec 2020, was eventually accepted)
37. Draft:Penn Wells Hotel; Penn Wells Hotel (developed somewhat by User:Bkissin & restored by them to mainspace, October 2020), Wellsboro, Pennsylvania
38. Draft:Hotel Viking (Newport, Rhode Island); Hotel Viking (Newport, Rhode Island)
39. Draft:Kings Courtyard Inn; Kings Courtyard Inn, Charleston, South Carolina
40. Draft:The Dewberry; The Dewberry Charleston, South Carolina (soonish after Doncram added a citation, Bkissin restored to mainspace)
41. Draft:Wentworth Mansion; Wentworth Mansion (expanded somewhat by User:Doncram, restored to mainspace by AFC) Charleston, South Carolina
42. Draft:Hotel on Phillips; Hotel on Phillips, Sioux Falls, South Dakota, in NRHP-listed Sioux Falls National Bank Building. NRHP article moved to "Hotel on Phillips" and expanded a bit. Not all material in the Draft has been merged yet, though. --Doncram (talk) 00:53, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
43. Draft:Crockett Hotel; Crockett Hotel (expanded somewhat by User:Doncram, restored to mainspace by AFC) San Antonio, Texas
44. Draft:Georgetown Inn; Georgetown Inn, Washington, D.C.
45. Draft:Hotel Lombardy; Hotel Lombardy, Washington, D.C.. Edited and promoted by User:JSwift49, May 2023. Leaves only 8 of these drafts unresolved. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 16:12, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
46. Draft:Phoenix Park Hotel; Phoenix Park Hotel, Washington, D.C. (expanded by User:Star Mississippi and then more on Sept 21 2021 by User:CanadianShoe and then promoted by Bkissin.)
47. Draft:The Edgewater (Madison, Wisconsin); The Edgewater (Madison, Wisconsin)

Thank you, to User:Bkissin, User:Cbl62, User:MB, User:Bubba73, User:Namiba. --Doncram (talk) 02:35, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome Doncram! I think the editors listed here have a good sense of WP:RS and WP:THREE to bring a lot of these articles to mainspace. I know I've looked at some where finding good reliable sources is difficult. Bkissin (talk) 14:07, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

What is difference in revision that gets through AFC?

• For Draft:Royal Palms Resort and Spa, sourcing that is useful, makes significance more clear, in multiple outlets detailed coverage upon 70th anniversary event, prompted probably a press release and/or other promotion (or did they follow each other?), that happened in 2018 but i hadn't found. Maybe difference was that in September, 2022 i tried searching on "Royal Palms Resort, Arizona" (without "and Spa"), and found:
  • Detailed, interesting history in "Royal Palms Resort: 70 Years of Grandeur" by Amanda Christmann, in Images Arizona:
  • The Arizona Republic (see The Republic) / AZ Central's take on 70 year anniversary, also with detail:
  • and AZ Big Media's (LIFESTYLE section?):

--Doncram (talk) 21:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

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