Talk:Hiroo Onoda

Think I found a pic...

http://www.damninteresting.com/wp-content/onodayoung.jpg 67.10.175.242 23:44, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Please make sure that photographs uploaded are not protected by copyright. We have a Template:PD-Japan-oldphoto which explains a relevant license. Ensure that any pictures fit this category before using them in the article or elsewhere. Nimur 01:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Did this site copy the wiki entry here???

http://www.2spare.com/item_91025.aspx --LifeStar 17:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

This article predates that site, so I guess so. 71.37.19.65 07:52, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Can someone add pronunciation for his name?

Thanks in advance. 18.111.59.65 (talk) 05:01, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Copy-vio

I don't want to call in the Wiki cops, but right now this article is often times a word-for-word copy of Jennifer Rosenberg's article at [1]

OK, I've reworded the parts that looked like a copy, so this is (hopefully) no longer a possible copy-vio. Samboy (talk) 16:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

It would be nice to have an extra picture showing his present age

Maybe you could one up that isn't too copyrighted. Anyway, this guy is one tough mofo. I guess the Japanese must be the best soldiers in the world. 29 years! Holy sh*t! M99 87.59.102.169 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC).

Most tenacious, probably. Best? Not by a long shot.172.190.17.171 (talk) 03:49, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 09:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

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Hiroo Onoda → Hirō Onoda — MOS:JP#Article names discourages using "oo" and "ou" over "ō" or simply "o". — Sorafune +1 05:50, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

The common spelling in books, articles, and newspaper citations is Hiroo. I'm not an expert in Japanese phonetics or transliteration, so while I defer to the Japanese Manual of Style for their opinion, I think it's worth noting that the spelling "Hiroo" has been much more widespread in external sources. Nimur (talk) 06:12, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Without proffering my opinion (as I'm ignorant on the specifics), we should stick with whatever the reliable sources use. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 06:37, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

There are various sources that give the person's name as Hiro Onoda: [2], [3], [4]. Hiro, Hirō, and Hiroo are all technically correct, but like I said before, MOS:JP discourages using "oo"s. Sorafune +1 15:37, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay. As long as the redirect exists for the spelling variant, I have no problem with this move. Nimur (talk) 14:57, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:COMMONNAME trumps MOS:JP ... as mentioned, "Hiroo" is the common form for this particular person. WP:UE - 76.66.197.77 (talk) 05:31, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:UE. The English references provided by the article itself seem to prefer "Hiroo Onoda", so we should follow suit.
  — V = I * R (talk to Ohms law) 10:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

• This move will not change his name. It will change the spelling of his name. Hiroo and Hirō are still pronounced exactly the same, so this does not counter WP:COMMONNAME (where does it say it overrides MOS:JP anyway?). In English, both Hirō and Hiroo are used (see the references I provided above), so this move doesn't go against WP:UE either. Sorafune +1 20:56, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

• policy trumps guideline - MOS:JP is a guideline, COMMONNAME and UE are policy. English usage is defined as what is used in English, your suggestion is not the common form used in English. 76.66.192.15 (talk) 05:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

• Reread my reply above and note that I'm trying to point out that this move won't counter either of those policies. On another note, where can I find the exact place where it says that "policy trumps guideline"? Sorafune +1 05:27, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

• No, your argument does not make sense in English, since English usage is one or the other, they are not the same in English. Look at the debate over the naming of Kiev, see Talk:Kiev where English usage of Kiev over Kyiv is preferred, even though they are alternate romanizations of the Ukrainian. As to where Policy Trumps Guideline, it's in the description of policies and guidelines on Wikipedia - WP:POLICY - 70.29.210.242 (talk) 05:47, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:MOS-JA (which agrees with WP:COMMONNAME). The most common name used in English is the one which should be used. I have clarified this in MOS-JA as (in this case) you were taking the article naming section out of the context of the entire MOS-JA. It is meant to be taken as a whole, with clarification on specific points included in various places (such as the Names section, in this case). ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
• Comment. WP:MOS-JA applies only to long o and u. Here, oo part seems not to be a long vowel (寛 hiro + 郎 o, not likely 寛 hi + 郎 rō) so WP:MOS-JA probably does not apply here even if there is no WP:COMMONNAME in English. --Kusunose 09:32, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Yes, in addtion to what I mentioned , there is this, too. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:37, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose per Nihonjoe. MS (Talk|Contributions) 19:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
• Tentative oppose per Kusunose. I mean, if we're sure that Kusunose is right, a definite oppose. Prolix version follows. ¶ Above, Sorafune says: Hiroo and Hirō are still pronounced exactly the same. Which I suppose means that, depending on which precise flavor of Hepburn you use, either "Hiroo" or "Hirō" may be the correct way to write trimoraic and disyllabic ヒロウ. If so, yes. The trouble is, because the general WP flavor of Hepburn is the one that represents disyllabic ヒロウ as "Hirō", use of "Hiroo" is distinctive and seems to imply trimoraic and trisyllabic ヒロオ (as in the name 広尾) -- a little point that seems to come up often. ¶ My own opinion? I don't know. Kunreisiki/Nipponsiki makes sense but is inadequate for フィ, ヴァ and so on. Hepburn (of any flavor) is loathsome. (For better or worse, most Japanese people seem to have no interest -- anything that's understood by the FEP [IME] of the cellphone or computer is OK.) But the choice of romanization system aside, I'd never reverse the names of Japan-based Japanese people merely because (i) reversing is what's commonly done by the middle-brow anglophone mass media and (ii) presenting names accurately might be too much of a shock to our sensitive readership. As long as en:WP continues to systematically present the names of most Japanese people backwards, perhaps the details don't matter that much. -- Hoary (talk) 00:17, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

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Back Pay?

The article on Teruo Nakamura makes reference to the fact that, as a conscript, he wasn't entitled to the large amount of back pay that an officer like Hiroo Onoda was. This article doesn't make any mention of what pension, if any, Onoda got. Anyone with more details who could add something about that to this article? 67.181.184.228 (talk) 18:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Other soldiers after Onoda

There are lots of stories about other soldiers found after Onoda, here it is said that Nakamura is the last one to surrended, and Onoda was the one who surrended befor Nakamura. But for example in this page http://www.wanpela.com/holdouts/list.html there are mentioned lots of cases after Onoda and Nakamura. They may be fake, but I consider, that it is a non sense to say that Nakamura is the last or the one before the last. This sort of competition like, is a nonsense.--Tercerista (talk) 02:05, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Years of Service

Why does it say that he was in service until 1974? His service ended with the war and from then on he was just a madman with a gun. Christ, half the people on this site are retarded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.178.110.146 (talk) 11:35, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Since he was never formally discharged, he can still be considered to have been "in military service". As he and other holdouts received back-pay, the Japanese government also considered his time as a holdlout to be legitimate military service. The US is the same way: Nick Rowe, who was held prisoner during the Vietnam War for five years, was promoted in absentia, even though his term of service would have expired, and received back-pay when he was found. Boneyard90 (talk) 23:26, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes something needs to be done to rectify this article to include the murders of all his victims. He was not a hero, he was a murderer of innocent civilians. 98.253.45.123 (talk) 18:39, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Photo Error

Wikipedia has the same photo for Hiroo Onoda and Shoichi Yokoi. Please check this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.204.30 (talk) 16:31, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

In the news

This article was discussed in a blog today. Bearian (talk) 20:21, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

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Death

Was he (or his ashes) interred in Brazil or at the infamous Yasukune Shrine in Tokyo that also accepted the ashes of the war criminals who were executed? This is a very important detail in the wiki account of Onoda.Starhistory22 (talk) 22:56, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

What happened to his brother?

As noticed in the photo. Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 01:42, 24 July 2022 (UTC)